FEC: Trump-Stormy Case ‘Not A Campaign Finance Violation’

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    The FEC's Position on this is ANCIENT News...
    2 Years Ago, in May of 2021, They Passed on the Case (Due to a TIE Vote):
    Democrats on Federal Election Commission denounce group’s decision not to punish Trump over hush money payment to Stormy Daniels
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/06/poli...-hush-money-payment-stormy-daniels/index.html

    Trainor's Position has been Well-Known since May of 2021
    Republicans James “Trey” Trainor and Sean Cooksey voted no, arguing that the federal government had already punished Cohen and the agency has other issues to pursue.
    (No Real "News" Here: Just Trainor RE-HASHING a Well-Known Public Position)...

     
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    My point was that the concern in the OP doesn't address the underlined 2nd crime in my post. It's not about federal law or campaign finance at all. Bragg doesn't have to prove all 3 second crimes, only one of them.
     
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    And the FBI and FEC were also provided those same recordings as Cohen was fighting for his life.
    There is nothing new coming from Cohen and unless you are going to get Cohens attorneys to claim they knowingly lied to federal investigators, that letter stands no matter what the (already convicted of lying to federal prosecutors) Cohen claims.
     
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    First, Bragg has to state the crime, which he hasn't. And their are literally dozens upon dozens of well know highly regarded criminal defense attorneys on both sides of the spectrum, published in every walk of the media, unable to Devine any NY state statute Bragg could possibly use to shoehorn his already published indictments into.

    Given Braggs past history of falsifying murder charges against NY citizens where Mayor Adams had to step in to get them dropped, which to you think is more realistic?
    Bragg is the smartest attorney and knows more that anyone we have heard from?
    Or this is just another historical Bragg fake claim or his attempt to try and stretch some state statute into what he wants it to say?

    I know where I would put 90% of my money on.
    Where would you bet?
     
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    Considering Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to the Senate, I'd say his testimony and character has already been proven flawed. Defence merely needs to move to exclude Cohen as a witness due to his prior plea for lying to the Senate.
     
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  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    If the Feds convicted Cohen of an illegal campaign contribution, then there's no way Trump reimbursed him for paying Clifford.
     
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    So, the FEC is lying?

    Even if there was, there's nothing Bragg can do about it.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Cohen didn't commit any campaign violations. He was charged with making an illegal campaign contribution. That's Cohen's offense, not the Trump Campaign.
     
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    Apparently, they're incompetent or speak before using much effort. Just Security lawyers figured it out before the indictment. I figured it out. And CNN did recently have an article that figured it out as well by a legal expert but unsure how to find it now, have never used waybackmachine before. There were pretty heavy clues in the press conference. Here's one of them, again: Legislation | NY State Senate (nysenate.gov)
     
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    Compare the summer of love to 1/6 and teen tell me about unequal application of the law.
     
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    Glad you agree that Bragg is barking up the wrong tree.
     
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    Let’s take a closer look at what happened. Trump allegedly had an affair in 2006. Ten years later and two weeks before an election the woman and her lawyer approach Trump and an arrangement is made and she gets money. Sounds to me like Trump was being blackmailed.
     
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    I NEVER Said That...
    And, anybody who interprets Trainor's Statement to mean that is Egregiously Misinformed (and, is exhibiting a Massive Misunderstanding of the FEC's Position)...
     
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    So lets look at the facts as we know them.

    1. This DAs honesty and integrity has already has already come into question when he has (on several occasions) falsified MURDER charges against NY citizens because of his woke political agenda where Mayor Adams had to step in to get them dismissed. His latest false murder charge was against a parking attendant who was shot in the stomach, were Bragg charged him with illegal possession of a firearm and MURDER because while fighting for his life, got control of the gun and shot the actual murder.

    2. No well known respected criminal defense attorney (and there have been dozens upon dozens) discussing this case on every media broadcast from every political viewpoint on every news channel and print, can Devine how any of the indictments made public fall within any NY state statute.

    3. Then you bring in Braggs campaign claiming he is the guy, if elected, that can get Trump.

    Your backing the wrong horse out of your own political wishes. I would hope you would be more concerned how this can effect honest citizens more than your desire to get Trump. But I could be worng.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    By all means, explain. Can't wait to hear this...lol
     
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    And the Leftists keep screaming "rule of law"...lol
     
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    Why do you say allegedly? Why would he pay someone not to talk about a made up story?

    So Trump has sex with Stormy Daniel's then pays hush money and he's the victim????

    He did what he always does shot himself in the foot
     
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    It doesn't matter why Trump paid hush money to Clifford. It wasn't a crime.
     
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    "Subject to interpretation" .......

    you sound like bill Clinton.... "depends on what the definition of is is"

    You think that its appropriate for a president to call up a state offical responsible for tallying votes mid tally ever? If trump would've called and talked to the sec of state of Georgia and asked about the weather as the votes were being tallied it would've ethically wrong.
     
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    My point was Trump did a thing (paid hush money to a pornstar) and that thing is currently proving to allow the otherside to attack him. Trump did the thing that started this.
     
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    Inappropriate, or not, it isn't a crime.
     
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    But it isn't a crime.
     
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    At the Very SAME (May 2021) FEC Meeting, where they Voted 2-2 (Along Partisan Lines) to not pursue the case:
    There were 2 Democratic Commisioners who said that pursuing the case was justified...
    Democrats on Federal Election Commission denounce group’s decision not to punish Trump over hush money payment to Stormy Daniels
    Two Democrats on the Federal Election Commission are criticizing Republican members after the commission deadlocked and did not take action against former President Donald Trump’s campaign related to the $130,000 hush money payment to Stormy Daniels on the eve of the 2016 election.
    Because of Trump’s apparent role in orchestrating the transaction, we supported (the commission’s Office of the General Counsel) recommendations to find reason to believe that he and the Committee accepted, and the Committee did not report, illegal contributions,” Commission Chair Shana Broussard and Commissioner Ellen Weintraub wrote in a statement.
    Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer, pleaded guilty in federal court in 2018 for arranging a nondisclosure agreement for which he paid Daniels $130,000, a campaign contribution violation during the 2016 election cycle, since the payment was made in service of the campaign and exceeded the federal limit.
    Prosecutors previously said that in executing the payments, Cohen “acted in coordination with and at the direction of” Trump, who has denied having affairs with two women. Cohen also pleaded guilty to five counts of tax fraud and one count of making false statements to a bank.
    Later that year, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for crimes that included arranging payments during the 2016 election to silence women who claimed affairs with Trump after Cohen attributed his offenses to “my duty to cover up his dirty deeds.”
    Several of our colleagues instead voted to dismiss the allegations,” Broussard and Weintraub added in their statement. “The Commission therefore did not have enough votes to pursue well-grounded charges that the former President of the United States knowingly and willfully accepted contributions nearly 5,000% over the legal limit to suppress a negative story mere days before Election Day.”

    THUS:
    Since the FEC Vote to dismiss was NOT UNANIMOUS...
    Clearly, there is enough "Grey Area" for Bragg to pursue charges...
     
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    Probably wont end up being one or if it does itll amount to a fine ala jon edwards... That's not what my point was. Getting all worked up about this as a Republican seems strange given the real cases on the horizon
     
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