What Is; "cruel & unusual" Punishment?

No poll.
PLEASE don't go quoting nor copy / paste

simply, what is . . . . cruel & unusual . . .
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Moi

Support the Dual Wall Solution!
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians,
cool and unsympathetic, regard our America
with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
BTW they "indentured servitude:
into the 1920's.


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Punishment worse than the crime could be considered cruel. But I think there are some crimes so cruel that it would be impossible for the punishment to be worse than the crime.

 

Going to Ft Rucker Alabama for US Army flight school in 1984 and being sidelined for 2 days picking watermelons for local farmers because you were the last to join morning formation.

 

Punishment worse than the crime or punishment for no crime such as the Manhattan bodega worker.

Crimes so cruel as violent rape and home invasions such as the Cheshire murders are in that impossible category. Even death, although that would have been my choice, isn’t enough.

 

Watching Biden's State of the Union speech.

 

It means illegal punishment like torture, punishing the family, public shame (degrading punishment)... and, of course, any punishment that exceeds the crime. There are, of course gray areas. Like the death penalty. An unnecessarily painful death would certainly be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

 

Cruel & unusual means psychologically or physically painful so if you don't like it then don't subscribe to YouTube.

 

At least they did not give you 100 push up candences that said "One Two three Four I love the marine corp" or latrine duty, enlisted barracks.

 

Is being "locked up" in a 9' x 11'
concrete . . . . maybe an hour fresh air time/day
Not Cruel?

 

We did 100 4 count push ups every morning. And I wasn't in the Marine corp. US Army.
The only time you could pull latrine duty is being deployed in some wilderness camp somewhere.
But anything was better than picking watermelons 12 hours a day. ANYTHING

 

Not for this guy. Maybe the eye for an eye justice.

https://news.yahoo.com/uber-eats-driver-killed-dismembered-233240031.html

 

The left would know much more on this topic, as well as the reverse of it, as in not enough punishment.
Example, they want to throw the book at Q'shaman (for dressing fancy) and to people singing gospel outside of abortion clinics but rapists and murderers are getting a slap on the rest due to "equity"
in the words of our amazing president........COME ON MAN

 

What a lod of BS.

Your just talking trash you know isnt true. But I think you do it because you enjoy ( as I do sometimes I will admit ) brushing the other side with a broad stroke in order to make them angry.

 

Oh is that so? Alvin Bragg let 4 murderers off the hook ON video beating and stabbing a VETERAN (he was black, adding that in because i know its so important to you guys), yet, he is going all out for unproperly disclosed porn star hush money? I could give 100s more examples. Your denial does not make it untrue

 

Your right. This one person is representative of every democrat. My bad.

 

LOL... Perhaps the command thought they were just giving you alternative job opportunities.....At least they didn't "plant" you to be a living tree....

 

Do I need to flood the thread with 1000s of examples? No thank you. There's a reason why Bill Maher recently referred to NYC as having a TURNSTYLE justice system. This is very common knowledge at this point. Maybe you are denying it as a defense mechanism of sorts? That's cool. I wish I had that ability because this extremely biased system is emotionally hard to process sometimes.

 

Yes sir, we were introduced to a litany of alternative job opportunities. One that comes to mind is commercial latrine hygienics.

 

A good question, but in the end you must remember that it's a subjective judgement. In a morally deficient society, arriving at a consensus would be very difficult.

Recall that in this country 20 years ago most people fully supported torture against muslims. There are still men being held in Gitmo for vague and ill-defined crimes. Most churches were silent on the question of torture.

Is that cruel and unusual, or simply acceptable behavior in this time of universal deception? You will never reach a consensus.

 

No system is perfect. And there will always be mistakes made, and errors, and bad judgement made by people. And that is regardless of their polotical ideology. It just happens in a different way among "tough on crime" conservatives.



In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years.



Just one example.

 

That's pretty bad sounding. I am surprised this hasn't been used against him when he was running. or maybe it was and i did not notice

 

Cruel: A punishment out of proportion to the crime.
Unusual: A punishment atypical for the crime, e.g. a political rival getting a more severe sentence than a usual citizen would get.

Cruel could have a broader definition though, such as being for the purpose of malicious revenge (torture, execution) rather than protecting the public (life in prison)

 

Punishment not in alignment with the crime. For example, multiple life in prison sentences when you murder someone horribly. Its cruel and unnsual that the public has to pay to keep a skin suit alive for so long when it can be taken care of with a simple rope or .22 round. Punishments need to be more cruel actually, swift and painful, if the crime caused pain to others. Eye for an eye,

 

It is too subjective to positively define. It was ruled that water boarding was torture. Yet our own GIs were trained to withstand it.

If it is extreme enough, torture can be defined and could be considered cruel and unusual punishment. For example, skinning alive or cutting off limbs. Some people would define anything unpleasant as being cruel and unusual punishment. Like being forced to listen to some music twenty-four hours a day.

Except in extreme cases, it is in the mind of the beholder.

 

He’s representative of every democrat who voted for him and every democrat who isn’t demanding his removal.