We are supposed to call them "people of color." Why not "colored people?"

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  1. Steve N

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    How do you know what the average person cares about? Do you have a list of Oriental Americans who are upset by a word? Remember, the people who are offended by everything and want to dictate to others what they must be offended by are pretty much American liberals, maybe even Canadians.

    As for your racist comment, name something that isn’t racist and never will be.
     
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    It has nothing to do with the actual words you use. They demand that you change your speech to put you on the defensive. Today's word is out tomorrow so they can make more demands. "Oh, that was yesterday's word. You have to use the word that we tell you to use today or you're a racist and we have the right to ignore you."

    No, you have no power over me. I've always said 'black' and 'white' and see no reason to change.
     
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    LOL!


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    Oh, that is not what I had "of course" assumed. *I had figured you'd meant "How was it decided..?"


    I still don't understand what's wrong with just calling 'em "darkies."
     
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    The point is if they control your words, they control your thoughts. When they feel like they can't control your thoughts they'll level accusations by simply changing the words and declaring that the prior word usage indicate malevolent thoughts and thus you're disqualified from the discourse.

    Give them a year or to and POC will be changed. The point isn't to use the words. The point is to disqualify you from participating in the realm of ideas by continually imposing new words and doublespeak.
     
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    No I don’t. But you’re the genius out here acting like it’s okay to call people Orientals just because you had 2 coworkers who were fine with it. It’s the same vibe as “I’m not racist, I have an Asian friend,” which is funny coming from you since you tried to pull that same stupid ass explanation in another thread earlier when you said you dated a black girl once. So fcking what?

    People who try to use the “my Asian coworker” or “my one black friend” excuse are always full of sht.
     
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    Right...because no words have ever fallen out of favor for any other reason, than that some authoritarian group was trying to control people.
     
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    You could just say Bob, Mary, Ntisha, Sir, Ma'am...
    I do understand the desire for belonging to a safe group with all the ignorant racists running around yapping their ignorance. With all the interracial activities on TV now I have hope for a better future.
     
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    First off, I have never used the term "Latinx," and in fact have never before heard it. Did you actually mean to write "Latin X?" Otherwise, I am curious as to how the single word is pronounced. Or, perhaps that was a typo, and was meant to be "Latino/Latina," even though those letters are not close to the " x" key?

    Either way, I say either "Hispanics" or, occasionally, "Latinos." I just now looked it up, to be certain, and found out that I have been incorrect in my understanding of the meanings (though, since I have often used both words together, they have still covered the people I've intended, just in reverse order). I had thought that Latino meant those who spoke Spanish (primarily in Latin America), and Hispanic included the Brazilians, who speak Portuguese. It is basically the opposite:

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    Hispanic and Latino are often used interchangeably though they actually mean two different things. Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish or are descended from Spanish-speaking populations, while Latino refers to people who are from or descended from people from Latin America .
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    The Difference between Hispanic and Latino | Mass Legal Services
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    The seeming problem with your rationale, though, is that I would bet that those instances in which you were using some other term (Ricans, Sp*cs, etc.) which would lead someone to correct you, have been more numerous, when you were in the company of non-Latinos. So, obviously, those would be the ones to correct you. Or, perhaps, you just happen to know a person, who is proud of his keeping very current on such terminology, so correcting people is his way of showing off. However, from my experience, most people don't go around correcting peoples' ethnic terms, unless someone is using an offensive term (and even then, most are reluctant to say anything, preferring not to start an argument).
     
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    Ah…so your family and friends use those terms for you. You of course know that is much different. With my friends we use those types of terms on top of poking fun at each other for being fat, bald, cheap, dumb, etc. Try doing that with a coworker you’re not friends with and see how that works out for you. Or some stranger in line at the grocery store.
    Here’s a test for you…walk up to a group of black men you don’t know and call them negroes and let me know how it goes.
     
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    Yep, gay meant happy. Back in the '70s through the early '80s there was an ice cream/soda shop called 'The Gay '90s' close to where I lived. The employees dressed for that era. Man, that was such a great place. The left certainly highjacked that word...and others.
     
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    There you go again thinking you know everything about everyone. And no, I never dated a black girl, I was considering asking one out but I got transferred to Puerto Rico before I could. It was in PR where I met and married my ex Puerto Rican wife. I also had a black roommate for two years.
     
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    Mel Brooks called them darkies In one of his movies and in a different movie called Force 10 From Navarone the black dude was referred to numerous times as a darkie.
     
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    I'd also like to know how someone can be an African-American.

    Anytime I hear that phrase I wonder when did they immigrate here from Africa?

    If you must be a hyphenated American...the " American" part should come first
     
  15. Steve N

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    I would, but the 3 1/2 blacks where I live are out of town. I’m a minority where I live, is it racist for those beaners to call me a gringo?

    You see where I live there is zero racial tension, that’s all saved for big city liberals who want to divide us on everything.
     
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    You mean in this thread, one I was also in?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tanding-for-the-national-anthem.610186/page-3

    My mistake on mixing up the races here, but my post on people trying use the “I had a black friend once”excuse stands, people always default to that tactic when they want to get the heat off of them, thinking that everyone will just forget.
     
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    When the china virus went global and everyone was panicking, there was one democrat who lashed out at the people who called it the china virus because it was insulting to china. When China, either the government or just random people, started to blame blacks in china for the virus, blacks who were either from Africa or were born in China, the same democrat politician said our racism is causing African Americans in china to be mistreated. Apparently all blacks around the world are African Americans.
     
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    Well, here's some good news for you; I currently have no black friends. Happy?
     
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    Two of my best friends were Negroes.

    I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not. I just want to make sure that they are using the word accurately when they sling it at me. I do not dislike a person because he is a Negro, but I do not make excuses for him either. I evaluate him using the same characteristics I use in evaluating a white person or an Oriental.

    I do not think that because Negroes were treated badly in the past we have to forgive their high rates of crime and illegitimacy in the present, and elevate them to jobs where they lack the intelligence to perform adequately.

    Anti racists think all they need to do to discredit the ideas of Charles Murray, Jared Taylor, and Professor's Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton is to claim that they are or were racists. I still want to examine their criticisms of the Negro race, and determine for myself whether those criticisms are valid or not.

    Keep in mind that none of these men say that Negroes are stupid, criminal, and sexually irresponsible. That would claim that all Negroes are that way. None of them make that claim. I do not either. Nevertheless, average differences do exist between the races. They are obvious to anyone who has had extensive experience with Negroes, whites, and Orientals.
     
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    Were these meant as parodies of racist language (as "darkies" had been used, in my own post)? I'm guessing, at least in the Mel Brooks movie, that was the case, even if you perhaps did not pick up on it.


    *Edit: I just looked up the other movie, which was released in 1978, loosely based on a novel published in 1968, and which is meant to be taking place in 1943 (so you really shouldn't use it as a guide, for your own language usage).
     
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    It must be exhausting searching for racist everywhere.

    Beware of the boy who cried Wolf. After a while, no one believed him anymore.
     
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    You think I am a racist. I do not pretend to know everything, but I make a reasonable effort to inform myself. What don't I know that if I learned would cause me to agree with you?

    Anyone with extensive experience with Negroes knows that the image of the United States we get from television and Hollywood is idealized. Whites and Negroes interact harmoniously. Negroes behave and perform as well as whites. If there are any criminals they are whites.

    Anyone with extensive experience with Negroes knows that that is not the way things really are. Then there are those advertisements that show successful upper middle class black men married to beautiful white women.

    The first time there was one of those advertisements, I think it was on a Super Bowl game, there were a lot of angry responses. One would think Madison Avenue would have learned, but no. Now those advertisements are all over the place. Those advertisements are not only an affront to working class white men, they are an affront to black women. They tell black women "Desirable black men prefer white women to you."

    Why do they keep showing those advertisements? Advertisements are supposed to make people feel good about what is advertised.
     
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    I guess the national debt is not big enough. Some people think we need to waste money on nonsense like this.

    If they do this with the word Negro, what will become of all those recordings of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream speech?" In King's speech the word "Negro" appears fifteen times. Will the word "Negro" be bleeped out?
     
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    And I have always used the word "Negro" and "Oriental." I see no reason to change.
     
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    Prior to the civil rights movement Orientals in the South were sometimes considered "Honorary Whites," because of their good performance and behavior.
     

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