Prepare For Nuclear Winter: Russian Expert Says ‘Putin Has No Choice But To Launch A Nuclear Strike

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  1. Tofiks

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    Who cares what some Sergey Karaganov says?
     
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    The U.S. isn't fighting in Ukraine the last I heard.
     
  3. Dayton3

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    Why do you assume Russian or Chinese nuclear weapons will work as designed or intended?
     
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    “The West didn’t star this war. Do you think Putin has confidence in his “nukes”? He shouldn’t after the way his tanks and army has performed.
     
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    We have seen it already, The UK army was not defeated. The Russian army strategy is tire
    The UK soldiers out by having them dig a million holes to bury Russian soldiers.
     
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    The US/Nato is fighting in Ukraine -- our weapons .. our personnel . our capital .. our influence .. . just not front line troops - cannon fodder in this case

    Why on earth would you assume they don't ? and even if there is a failure rate .. it matters not because if only one out of 10 work as intended ... the number more like 95% + but let us assume a ridiculous and absurd failure rate 9 out of 10 . The US is Still obliterated.

    In case you have missed or forgotten my previous rants .. while Russia may be poor at many things .. Rocket Technology is not one of them.. .. First in Class .. best of the best .. US got out of the business for a decade .. using Russian Rockets to launch our satellites and get our boys to the space station . Anti Ship .. Anti missile technology .. first in class as we have seen in Ukraine .. amazing air defense the S 300 and beyond.. . We are still fumbing around trying to make hypersonic happen .. The Consortia "China - India - Russia" have been working on this and other missile technology together .. for over 20 years .. after Russia came out with the worlds first super sonic anti ship missile "Sunburn" - at that time our ships had no defense . we were at least a decade behind .. and things have only gotten worse for our beloved Carriers .. now obsolete in the face of modern missile technology.

    Did you not watch China do the "around the world" glide vehicle test .. a smashing success .. and these Drones .. imagine nukes attached to those .. sneaking in .. kaboom. You don't even need ballistic missiles to annihillate the US ... so many more ways for MAD to happen .. why so desperate to ignore this reality .. I do not know .. Thanatos ? think I spelled that right .. greek word ..
     
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    NATO's expansion (in any direction) is not and has not ever been achieved via threat or forced occupation. Every single member of NATO joined voluntarily. In fact for a few years in the 90's there was talk of Russia navigating its way to full membership. Thanks to Putin of course that possibility never panned out but it was there. What I find bizarre (like most of your posts) is that you see NATO expansion as a threat while refusing to a least acknowledge that every single one of Russia's former Warsaw Block partners who were given the chance to join NATO jumped at the chance, no looking back. Yet not once have you ever been honest enough in your posts to acknowledged this fact, let alone offer any explanation as to why this was and is the case.

    So here's your chance tell us all why you think all of Russia's former allies in the West abandoned it for NATO? Go on, be honest why did they all leave and never come back? Because honestly? Your constant whining about NATO expansionism on this forum reads like the posts of an abusive partner who constantly complains on line about the fact that every woman he has ever hooked up with ends up leaving him for someone else. And it's always their fault because 'he' always treated them like princesses and all they ever had to do was show him the 'respect' he deserves.

    Hate to break it to you DILL but Putin's Russia is that abusive ex-boyfriend. And the only skanks who are still willing to 'hang out' with him now are just in it for the money. (Think Syria and the Central African Republic).

    And no I don't insult you for talking about it. I insult your for the manner/way you approach 'talking about it'. I insult you for the complete lack of self awareness displayed in your posts, the fact you constantly sprout State manufactured propaganda rather than produce independently verifiable facts to support your arguments. The fact your only sources are almost entirely either Russian Government or pro-Russian hard right wing conspiracy sites. The fact you never acknowledge errors made in previous posts, you know the kind of stuff I'm talking about, American Generals captured, the Ukrainian Air Force destroyed three times over, etc etc etc. The fact you actually seem to like boasting boast about the thousands of (Ukrainian) soldiers killed fighting in this war. The fact that.....well I could go on but whats the point. I insult you because far too many of your posts are an insult to the intelligence of most of the people following the war here on PF.
     
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    Biden's puppet masters are evil war mongers.
     
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    Bot?
     
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    You ignore the obvious
     
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    Did you want to enlighten us to what this obvious truth you speak of is .. or are you keeping this one a secret ... just shouting unsupported invective from the peanut gallery :)
     
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    American personnel, a small number of volunteers aside, are not fighting in Ukraine.

    As for the rest, Ukraine needs a lot more. I know that's what I'll be voting for next year.
     
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    For starters I said nothing about Russian missiles or rockets. I was referring to nuclear weapons
     
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    Thats Right Durandal .. but why are you repeating back to me what was just told you ?
     
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    LOL. According to you and your Putin sources, the mop up happened March 2022.
    The war is over according to you.
     
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    Biden isn't Putin's puppet.
     
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    Did you not realize that the vast majority of nuclear weapons are attached to a missile or rocket friend ? The rocket is what transports nuclear warhead to its location. ... so you want good rocket technology .. so the warhead makes it to the tarket ...
     
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    Except for those carried by bombers (a substantial number of American nuclear weapons)
     
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    Time is the most honest man. We'll see what happens.
    One example is that some car companies have left Russia. For example, Mercedes left the production of trucks in Russia. (They used to produce them at KAMAZ plants).
    As a result, with the same equipment, the same technology, the same people started producing the new KAMAZ.
    It is the same with Nissan or Renault.
    And the same thing is happening with the production of ball bearings.
    Instead of a foreign company, with the same equipment, the same personnel, the same technology, Russians are producing.
    To adequately perceive the reality, I advise you to watch videos of west-oriented (EU, USA, Australia, Japan,...etc.) tourists in Russia. Very often they show Russian supermarkets. For them it is amazing that there is everything in Russia. And a lot of things are cheaper. For example, Russia is the only country in Europe where food is cheaper.

    Watch the video from Russia. This is a stream - a man walks the streets and shoots what he sees.


    Pay attention to roads, buildings, how people are dressed, how people behave...etc. And answer yourself - do the Russians have any problems?
     
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    So, the bot method here is simple - take some noname website anonymous survey with very stupid questions, like "Barbaric Russia should be turned into radioactive ash?" and then make out of all this conclusions of cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity.
    For whom, except local "free thinkers", this **** is created? Are there so many stupid people in the West?
    And remember, no one gives a **** about what Russian citizens want or not, they are not subjects, they are not deciding anything. And, of course, they don't want nuclear war, they are not completely stupid too in most of the cases.
    Also, noname Sergey, who of course can't put 2 words together to argue, why Putin will have no choice, do not decide anything. He is just like this bot, who declared victory of Russia in Ukraine already in Mach 2022 - talking head who today will tell you one thing and tomorrow, as nothing happened, completely opposite.
     
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    Problem is, that Russian chauvinists and fascists do not take their neighbors as Sovereign states who can decide anything without Russian permission. They dont even think, that Ukrainian nation exists, Ukrainians for them are unterrussians, who should be destroyed or forcibly turned into proper Russians.
     
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    ....again you're missing the point....its all very sweet showing videos of people in the street, however, the sanctions are not aimed at people drinking coffee or the owners of pie shops or sellers of the bra that loaded sexy bitch was only just wearing.....jeeez that's a fine set of tits.....the sanctions are aimed at the ability of the state to prosecute a war and the people and oligarchs behind that war and their ability to access investment and liquidity. Based on what has come out of Rosstat these sanctions are now beginning to bite....they will over the next few years impact bra lady and coffee drinking person.....but you already know that.
     
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    I get the impression that you are repeating politically engaged mantras like zombies.
    Look at what is happening in Russia and compare it to what is happening in the EU, for example.
    It is enough to look out the window, but not to sit in front of the TV all the time.
    Your comment is so ridiculous that I don't even want to comment on it.

    First, try to answer the questions I pointed out to you above. If necessary, I can repeat them -
     
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    and what happens with the equipment needs maintenance or the model needs changing.....are you going to ask Renault to do the job?
    There are few people left that know the technology....it's the same problem in the Arctic with the oil and gas....Russians have not got the technical engineering skills to adequately maintain arctic oil and gas production which is why they went into JV operations with companies that can and who had skilled engineers that did. Those companies and those people have gone.and slowly....slowly...the issues will start to arise and all that will happen is locals will MacGyver together a quick fix until something major happens.
    The whole point of Putin's state was to sell oil and corruption and allow in what he needed from the west to support his oil and corruption.
     
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    who cares....we know the issues with the west we have clarity and we have debate we have a functioning supply chains we have free flow of capital and liquidity....Russia does not

    It's always the same thing with you...deflect from the issues that Putin has created so the narrative is moved to those talking points you have been given....I'm not interested in your talking points I'm merely commenting on what you have posted.
     
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