Prepare For Nuclear Winter: Russian Expert Says ‘Putin Has No Choice But To Launch A Nuclear Strike

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    Losses were 1 in 10 in favor of the Russians. When the real war with NATO begins, the losses will be 1 in 100 in favor of the Russians.
    Because NATO armies know how to fight only in Hollywood. The Afghans will prove it.
     
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    And rightly so. What's the point of worrying if you can't change anything anyway? Nuclear weapons have already been used against civilians. So it's not a question of whether or not there will be a nuclear war, it's a question of when it will happen.
    And as everyone knows - the Russians will go to heaven, but the rest will simply die.
     
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    Nobody is afraid of typical Russian Propaganda scare tactics and their meaningless predictable rhetoric. It's pretty much all the Kremlin has left as their army - while it shouldn't underestimated - has turned out to be not even remotely as modern, competent, and powerful as Moscow has claimed and their pathetic rhetoric shows how desparate they are. Despite being outnumbered and outgunned, certainly for the first ten-twelve months, the Ukrainian military has kept the Russians at bay and the fascist in the Kremlin hasn't been able to make any progress. The more Russian rot in Ukraine, the better it is.
     
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    I had to like that....it's fun when you're given statistics to quote....:D
     
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    Biden is old and senile. He could accidentally launch a nuke. Putin is a murderer and misanthrope. He does this on purpose. :(
     
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    Ahaha...:roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Did you know that the Russians increased their territory by five regions?
     
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    You don't have to use meaningless empty excuses.
     
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    prove it
     
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    Not arguing the org is going to collapse "soon" .. what is "soon" - saying cracks in the foundation are widening - Nato will be around but even more irrelevant in the furture .. after getting its backside handed in this stupid war .. what will things look like ?

    --- the increased costs are numerous.. the first and most obvious is the fact each NATO member is having to pony up more cash and/or equipment .. of which you agree .. so no evidence needed :)

    Even bigger costs are having to be born by the EU due to the Sanctions -- Germany in particular as their industrial base is reliant on Cheap Energy -- They are getting crushed and the people are not happy about it .. Shults will likely be voted out .. Macron is not doing well either. Europeans don't want this war all of Europe is suffering .. as is the Global economy .. and everyone is suffereing from the suffering Global economy .. including the US.

    This war was a Big Biden Bumble -- the global order -- which was on the ropes - has now been further destabilized -- US Hegemony exposed as an emperor with no clothes .. folks had enough with this "Do as we say - Not as we Do" foreign policy --- pushing everyone around .. not going so well these days .. the world is revolting --- shown by how badely the sanctions have failed..

    While the EU Joined in the sanctions this time .. as opposed to Trump's unilateral Sanctions --- his biggest Blunder -- for which we are still being punished .. and bad memory still remains in the EU - EVEN though they on the side of sanctions this time .. its wierd but in general the world wants to take the Power of the US "SOLE" Status away. .. and we totally deserve it.

    Fortunately for Europe - they will not be shut out of Nations moving to create a new reserve currency .. but the pressure to distance themselves from NATO will increase as they distance themselves from US economic Hegemony -- France wan'ts in on the Next BRICS Meeting --- along with some 80 other nations who have expressed interest and/or support .. this is crazy while the war is still on going .. France blatantly prostituting .. the first hole first in line at the plate..

    Y'all cry "Russia Russian Stooge" at folks trying to act in the best interest of the US citizen .. oblivious to the bigger picture -- desperate not to lose argument and default to Ad Hom Fallacy .. attacking the messenger because .. got forbid good arguments against cancel culture be forward .. just cancel anyone that conflicts with the latest propaganda trope du jour .. calling them a Russian Stooge.

    I see this mindless morass and is troubling .. how many and how large .. but then, I have never thought much of capacity of the raging masses to begin with.[/QUOTE]


    Sorry for the late response, been busy. Addressing some but not all of your posts I'll state the following;

    1) Your first comment has the problem entirely backwards. By which I means had Putin not launched his invasion of Ukraine NATO would probably have faded into irrelevance having faced no exterior threat for generations and with the US becoming increasing upset at it's share of financial and military burden imposed by the Treaty while European members in turn became frustrated at calls to spend more on defense.

    But Putin has single highhandedly reversed that process. Sweden and Finland have ir are joining the alliance and Almost (almost) all non-US members have been startled into reluctantly accepting they have dropped the ball on their financial contributions with the result that military budgets are going up!

    2) As for getting it's 'backside' handed to it?!!! NATO isn't even directly involved in the fighting. That's just a bizarre claim. Apart from the cost of the war materials and other support NATO is giving Ukraine this war has cost NATO nothing. Not a single NATO soldier killed, not one member nation tank or aircraft destroyed.Whereas conservative figures to date put Russian combat deaths at round 50,000 with something like 11000 military vehicles (Oryx's figures) of all types. Yes Russia is making Ukraine bleed as well but as has recently been made clear Ukraine is not currently a member of NATO.

    3) As for the economic costs imposed on the EU by the various sanctions, particularly oil and gas? Those are or rather I should say were real. But Europe has over the past few months successfully pivoted away from its reliance on cheap Russian fossil fuels with alternate long term contracts being signed. The continent is still struggling with price rise and supply issues as a result of the war but the medium term indicators are looking good. I'm not going to spend time dissecting the major European economies growth rates (you can if you want) but certainly the Euro has well and trustfully recovered form the lows seen back when the war commenced and the growth outlook for the next 12 month is generally positive.

    Meanwhile in Russia (I hear you ask)? The latest official figures from the Bank of Russia for June 2023 show that the country's balance of payment figures have collapsed by a whopping 93% over the past 12 months with it's current account surplus now standing at just 5.4 billion USD for the April/June quarter of this year. Meanwhile as of July the ruble is officially at its lowest rate of exchange to international currencies seen in 15 months - making imports increasingly expensive. And lastly? The Russian Finance Ministry has officially reported that oil and gas revenues are down to just 36% of what they were a year ago (almost a 2/3 reduction). So much for sanctions not working. Hell the west is even finding new sources for caviar.

    So you tell me whose economies are going to be in worse shape should this war continue another 12 moths.
     
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    Sorry for the late response, been busy. Addressing some but not all of your posts I'll state the following;

    1) Your first comment has the problem entirely backwards. By which I means had Putin not launched his invasion of Ukraine NATO would probably have faded into irrelevance having faced no exterior threat for generations and with the US becoming increasing upset at it's share of financial and military burden imposed by the Treaty while European members in turn became frustrated at calls to spend more on defense.

    But Putin has single highhandedly reversed that process. Sweden and Finland have ir are joining the alliance and Almost (almost) all non-US members have been startled into reluctantly accepting they have dropped the ball on their financial contributions with the result that military budgets are going up!

    2) As for getting it's 'backside' handed to it?!!! NATO isn't even directly involved in the fighting. That's just a bizarre claim. Apart from the cost of the war materials and other support NATO is giving Ukraine this war has cost NATO nothing. Not a single NATO soldier killed, not one member nation tank or aircraft destroyed.Whereas conservative figures to date put Russian combat deaths at round 50,000 with something like 11000 military vehicles (Oryx's figures) of all types. Yes Russia is making Ukraine bleed as well but as has recently been made clear Ukraine is not currently a member of NATO.

    3) As for the economic costs imposed on the EU by the various sanctions, particularly oil and gas? Those are or rather I should say were real. But Europe has over the past few months successfully pivoted away from its reliance on cheap Russian fossil fuels with alternate long term contracts being signed. The continent is still struggling with price rise and supply issues as a result of the war but the medium term indicators are looking good. I'm not going to spend time dissecting the major European economies growth rates (you can if you want) but certainly the Euro has well and trustfully recovered form the lows seen back when the war commenced and the growth outlook for the next 12 month is generally positive.

    Meanwhile in Russia (I hear you ask)? The latest official figures from the Bank of Russia for June 2023 show that the country's balance of payment figures have collapsed by a whopping 93% over the past 12 months with it's current account surplus now standing at just 5.4 billion USD for the April/June quarter of this year. Meanwhile as of July the ruble is officially at its lowest rate of exchange to international currencies seen in 15 months - making imports increasingly expensive. And lastly? The Russian Finance Ministry has officially reported that oil and gas revenues are down to just 36% of what they were a year ago (almost a 2/3 reduction). So much for sanctions not working. Hell the west is even finding new sources for caviar.



    So you tell me whose economies are going to be in worse shape should this war continue another 12 moths.[/QUOTE]

    I hate Biden but how is this war his fault?
     
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    I hate Biden but how is this war his fault?[/QUOTE]

    No I'm saying only the Russian economy is going to be in worse shape. For some reason the quote from "Giftedone" I was responding to didn't load as a quote. Your responding to his points not mine. My response to Giftedone starts at the 'Sorry for the late response' bit.
     
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