UAW goes on Strike --- First Time in History Workers Will Picket All Big Automakers At Same Time

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In a manner of speaking, yes. American voters are weak and controlled by the media. If the media will attack you for doing one thing, but not another, then you as a politician can be pushed to have to do that other thing.

    I'm sure Trump was concerned if he didn't spend all that money, then Biden would soon get elected and spend even more.
     
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    ok then, Trump is responsible for the inflation
     
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    It depends how you reckon "responsibility".

    If I put a gun to your head and tell you to stab yourself, and you stab yourself, are you responsible for that?

    It may be true Trump willingly chose to go along with that, but Democrat forces were the ones who pushed him to do it, and who created the forces that practically coerced him to do that.

    How responsible is Trump really for that inflation when he made the decision that he expected would overall be the most likely to result in less inflation, or the same amount of inflation?

    I mean, let's just suppose Trump had not endorsed such a big budget. (Never mind the likely government shutdown that would have happened and Trump getting totally blamed for that) It is then likely that once Biden got elected the Democrats would have spent even more money than they already did. The only thing holding them back from more spending is the inflation that has already happened. (Because overspending causes inflation, and they're making at least some effort to pull the reigns in on the high inflation)

    The facts are that Democrats wanted this overspending more than Republicans, and Trump knew it would probably not be good for the country, and if he were absolute dictator and did not have to worry about elections, he would not have done it.

    To try to blame Trump for this seems unfair when we all know the media and you would have blamed him for the economy if he had not done it.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that what you do with your company, you give out more of the profits to your staff?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anyone in a job in any sector willing to strike means, "I'm not grateful in having this job in these economic times".

    Life is too short and if you're not happy, quit, go and do what makes you happy. If car workers are unhappy, then quit, go get a different job that pays what they're asking.
     
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    Workers get the *most* they can get.
     
  7. Chickpea

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    The federal reserve is the one who inflates the money supply.
     
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    agree, and the Republican led FED dumped about 10 trillion dollars into the economy in 2019 to keep the Trump economy afloat, then Covid hit

    that combined with the global Covid related supply issues, caused inflation
     
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  9. Chickpea

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    The federal reserve is independent.

    But it should be eliminated. Dollars shold be coined by the US mint.
     
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    agree, we should not pay interest to the FED, it should go back to the people, to pay off our debt
     
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    We should not pay interest on coins at all.
     
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    the banks pay the interest as the money is given to them to loan out to us, but I agree
     
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    A lender charging interest is not the problem. The federal reserve and fiat money are the problem. Dollars should be minted by the US treasury. That is the solution to inflation.
     
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    the FED should not be the lender, I am agreeing with you, as our population increases, we should increase the money supply
     
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    Yes, we agree on the fed.

    There's no need to manipulate the money supply. The US treasury simply needs to mint dollars.
     
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    Exactly. If Clive Davis calls Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney, they answer the phone. If the record company mail room clerk calls them.... wait, they don't have their phone numbers.

    Of course the most hilarious thing about this is that the CNN and MSNBC hosts who grill the auto executives about how much money they make, make millions themselves. I don't see them sharing that with the CNN mail room clerks. They're too busy social climbing at fancy DC restaurants.
     
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    The UAW will go on strike and demand double the pay for less work and their pensions restored to what they were before the last time the company they work for had to declare bankruptcy for some mysterious and unfathomable reason.

    And the whole time they'll wonder why Korean and Japanese car companies are eating their lunch.
     
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    Sometimes the parasite actually kills the host.
     
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    The fact of the matter is that the only thing Congress can do is spend money. That's so much better as a career move than actually legislating that since the 60s with the great Congressional career compromise, it's literally been the only thing Congress can do. Both sides of the aisle. Harry Reid actually killed the filibuster in order to continue to spend money.

    Sure, every now and again they shutdown the government for a few weeks to make a good show for their constituents and all the government workers get a few weeks unpaid vacation (until they end the impasse anyways when they then vote to give employees full back pay for doing squat) but passing a compromise budget that increases spending is literally the only tool they have. To pass actual legislation with their names actually attached to it just invites people to throw them out of office.

    That's another thing I hope the fall of Chevron deference does. Make Congress legislate again instead of just funding the alphabet agencies to do the dirty work for them before we go all Venezuela.
     
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    Ok, so labor is easy to replace but management is not.
    You have a warped view of the world.
     
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    I love when people don't have a clue what they're talking about laugh at others that actually do. What's with you and socialism? You keep bringing it into the conversation and yet you are the only one talking about it. You're the only one bringing it up with zero context to boot. That alone shows you don't have a clue. Another point you have brought up is that some are upset that people are successful. What do you base that on. No one has said or alluded to be upset over successful people. Only you. No one has said they have all the answers. Only you. The point of the conversation is that the successful people are being paid disproportionately more than they have in the past. The reason is pure greed and you're just fine with that. Sad, very sad.
     
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    If a worker is unhappy with their employment, they should probaby find a job that suits them better.
     
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    Actually, no, they're not.
    The decisions they make are really no different that their predecessors going back decades yet their wages are vastly disappropriate then before.
    All companies need a competent CEO or they have no company. Billion dollar companies or mom and pop stores but what we're talking about is that the mom and pop store will have employees where the boss might make. oh let's say for arguments sake, 100x more than an employee but what the strike is about is the boss is making almost 2000x what the employee's do. Didn't used to be like that.
     
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    They should find a new job. One they like better.
     
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    No, they get what's given to them.
    Management get bonuses if the company does well. Workers do not.
     

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