UAW goes on Strike --- First Time in History Workers Will Picket All Big Automakers At Same Time

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  1. Macho MAGA Man

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    The UAW sees Biden's push for EVs as a major threat to their jobs. But a 40% raise for a 32 hour workweek is plain crazy. Ford, GM, and Stellantis are toast either way this turns out. Biden did this!

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...s-at-the-same-time-for-first-time-in-history/

    The United Auto Workers (UAW) union will go on strike against all of Detroit’s big three automakers at the same time for the first time in the union’s history, after General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis failed to reach a labor agreement with the union before their contracts expired Thursday night.

    “Tonight for the first time in our history we will strike all three of the big three at once,” UAW president Shawn Fain said on Thursday. They are prepared to strike at midnight, according to Fain.

    They plan to strike at a General Motors assembly plant in Wentzville, Missouri; a Stellantis plant in Toledo, Ohio; and a Ford plant in Wayne, Michigan.
     
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    Maybe it's time that CEOs and Boards get paid less, and the actual labor gets paid better.
     
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    The captain who steers the ship is more important than the guy who mops the decks. If a person can be trained to do a job in less than an hour then that person isn't skilled and can easily be replaced. As for the executives, if they fail the company fails. What do you think an auto company would look like if Biden or Harris ran things?
     
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    When the story first broke that a strike might occur it was noted that the union's strike fund would run out of money in about 11 weeks. So for those 11 weeks the workers would be taking home less than what they would if they stayed at work. If the strike lasts beyond 11 weeks and the money is gone, then I would expect that Biden will bail them out with our money. Yes, he's going to use our money to pay people who voluntarily chose not to work. That's my prediction.
     
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    Try this:
    Company brings down X after taxes.
    CEO makes Y.

    Y is what percentage of X.

    Number of workers is Z.
    If CEO makes zero, how much extra money do workers make.

    Show your work.
     
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    Ross Perot called it years ago regarding NAFTA. A giant sucking sound.
     
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    Yes, just like Obama bailed out GM with our tax dollars.
     
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    Wouldn't it be a better plan to just federalize all UAW employees? Just put them on the government payroll, give them what they want and make the taxpayers foot the bill. That way you wouldn't need to worry about strikes and we could force the manufacture of electric vehicles while shutting off parts supplies for combustion based vehicles and stopping their manufacture. It really would be the best thing for the environment and, ultimately, for all Americans. Heck, if we did the same for educators, truckers and unionized hospitality workers we could have a perfect economy controlled by the all knowing, entirely benevolent, kind and compassionate government!
     
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    You mean the same Ruling Class Joe belongs to should get paid less?! So much for Biden’s anti-inflation bill. Inflation has rose the last 2 months.
     
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    Working only 32 hours a week and getting paid for 40 hours is just plain greedy. When you are the CEO of a company a great many of those executives are on-call 24/7, not 32 hours a week. The CEO job is also high pressure. Hourly workers get to go home and leave the job behind.

    The other issue is the domestic auto producers’ share of the market. The ‘50s and ‘60s over when GM, Ford and Chrysler had 90% of the market. Car buyers have far more options. Having read comments from some car buyers, once they abandon the domestic brands, a lot of them are not coming back. Loss of market share translates to few jobs and fewer opportunities. If the UAW drives up auto prices to the point where the domestic producers can’t compete, they will strike themselves out of a job. I dare say that the alternatives will not pay as well.
     
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    The comment never said anything about equal pay, it is time the workers making the product, doing the work, get more share of the profit.


     
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    Why doesn't the increase in pay out to the top management upset you with the increase of cost?



     
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    Yeah, after their captain steered them right into the iceberg. So much for the indispensable executives.
     
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    Well usually it's the corporations getting bailed out by our money. Might be refreshing for it to go to the People this time. lol
     
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    And here's what they think of Biden:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/don-t-know-done-uaw-101510516.html
     
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    It depends upon what they pay them. These CEOs who pay themselves 100s of millions of dollars a year are pigs. That is especially true when they pay themselves big money and the company is performing poorly. Many times they are paid with stock or stock options which provide a further incentive to see to it the company does well.

    A top performing high level management team is vital to a company’s success. Having worked for companies that had good management and companies that were headed by losers, I’ve had plenty of first hand experience.

    AT&T was a prime example. When I was hired by that company in 1980, it was the largest company in the world. It took a lot of hard work by dedicated people to get it there over a century. When an inept management team got done with it in the 1990s, it was bankrupt. That group made one bad decision after another and gorged themselves with company money.
     
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    Wait. NAFTA is gone and replaced by the wonderful plan Trump took credit for. I thought this was all fixed?
     
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    Yeah right, I suggest you recall the abuses of those "Golden Parachute" clauses even if the corporation does poorly, did you forget about Wall St in 2008.
     
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    I was working for a cable TV company in CA when AT&T bought them out. I'll tell ya, it was great, there wasn't a problem that tons and tons of money couldn't fix. They threw money at everything. Then they did something stupid, they tried to run a cable company like it was a phone company. They're two entirely different animals and eventually AT&T sold it off.

    One of the stranger things AT&T did was encourage unionization of the workers. We were told that if union organizers showed up that we shouldn't shoo them off the property, something we were always told in the past, but to let them in and have meetings with the techs in our offices on company time. The techs who worked in the LA and Bellflower areas picked of all unions to represent them was the Teamsters. I sat in on the negotiations and it was all about what the union would get and not a lot of what the techs would get. A contract was never ratified and the union went away after a year.
     
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    I doubt that's what he wants, but if Biden did involve himself in anything it would be to tell the union workers without income to learn to code.
     
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    Speaking of union strikes, how the hell do people who literally choose to walk off the job become eligible for taxpayer dollars?

    Striking workers could earn unemployment pay under California bill

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (TND) — A California bill looking to give striking workers unemployment benefits is heading to Gov. Gavin Newsom's desk.

    Senate Bill 799, which passed the California State Senate Thursday in a 27-12 vote, aims to provide strikers with unemployment benefits while on the picket line. The bill's authors say these provisions would remain in effect for those fighting employer lockouts as well.

    https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-w...f-television-radio-artists-insurance-benefits
     
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    Did you bother to read my post #16?

    As for 2008, part of the trouble was government interference. The government opposed red lining laws and forced banks to issue mortgages that were not sound. Denying someone a loan because of their race is wrong. But writing a mortgage for someone whose income is not large enough to handle the payments is also wrong. A bank that does that is doing anyone any favors.

    Banks also did stupid stuff when they wrote loans that had interest only payments. Borrowers were not paying off the principal of the loan. They also wrote mortgages with low down payments. The borrowers had little “skin in the game.” That was red meat for speculators who borrowed a lot of money which they used to drive up real estate prices. You can make a ton of money with a lot of borrowing or “leverage,” but you can lose a ton money really fast and be bankrupt before you know it. That’s what happened.

    Banks often sell mortgages to other entities. A good number of these mortgages were banded together in things called derivatives. The derivatives looked good on the surface because they seemed to have good yields. But when the borrowers defaulted on the loans and real estate values fell from speculative levels, financial failures became rampant. The result was an economic recession. The losses took out some Wall Street investment houses, and economy was in crisis.
     
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    Unemployment compensation is for those who lose their jobs, not for those who quit or go on strike. If you go on strike and can’t afford to live on the strike money the union pays you, that’s your problem. It should not be mine.
     

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