UAW goes on Strike --- First Time in History Workers Will Picket All Big Automakers At Same Time

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I was hired I was told my yearly bonus would fall within a certain range based on my performance, my team's performance and company performance. My bonus that year was typical of prior bonuses.
     
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    yep, the employer can do it themselves too, or they can come to an agreement on pay and benefits
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the employer does not feel they are valuable, he can do that, we will see what they agree too - doesn't surprise me that the right would be against the workers though
     
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    so you think the CEO would not want a position of such prestige and power if only paid 15 million a year, lol
     
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    it's called a negotiation, will they get all they ask for, no, they will negotiate, we will see what the employer feels they are worth, the right is so upset that the employer might think they are worth more than they are currently paid
     
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    Ford's CEO made $22 million last year. If he made $0 and that money was spread evenly among Ford's 186,000 employees, they could all go out to a nice dinner with their spouse once a year with their $118.27. If the top three took a $0 salary, everyone could go out to eat twice per year.

    Have any more great ideas?
     
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    Are you done?

    The business receives gross revenue. Right?
    The business allocate the revenue for various expenses and purposes. Right?
    All else being equal, if the company allocates more of the revenue for an increase in paychecks, there is less left for profits. Right?

    What happened to the $21 billion in profit from 2019, the $14.3 billion from 2020, the $21.7 from 2021, the $23.66 billion from 2022, and the $25.5 billion from this year ending in June? Does it evaporate? That’s a total of $106 billion. If the workers’ total pay is $11 billion, when would they have to go without pay? They might be laid off because maximum profit is the goal of greed. But your notion of working without pay is ludicrous. The money has been there all along.
     
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    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We?
     
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    You don’t think your purchases pay their salary?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you don't
     
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    No one on the right is upset about this, thats simply what the left wants to believe...contstant demonization and misrepresentation of the rights perspective. We simply recognize the foolishness of such h actions.
     
  12. FreshAir

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    sure seems like it from the rights posts here
     
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    No it really doesn't.
     
  14. FreshAir

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    so are you rooting for the working class
     
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    If you think a company pays their top management too much, then you can refuse to purchase their products. If you continue to purchase the product, knowing that "we" pay the CEO "too much," then that is a tacit agreement that you are okay with the CEO's salary.
     
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    I'm rooting for reason
     
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    as are we all, a reasonable salary for the employees and a reasonable salary for the CEO
     
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    A CEO's salary is determined by the board of directors. Get yourself on a board.
     
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    Employees hire themselves out for whatever they choose.
     
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    yep, and they will determine if the wages the employees request is acceptable too, if not, they lose their employees as they go elsewhere
     
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    yep, so why is the right whining, if the employer wants them, they have to pay more, simple
     
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    Oh, the right. They're so silly.

    Why are auto workers whining instead of just going and getting a better job?
     
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    Unfortunately, that's a strong possibility.

    I'm in favor of fair pay- but that relates to one thing, and that is the value of what the person delivers. Free enterprise controls this, if it's not corrupted by over-regulation. Nobody- including the boards of auto corporations, want to pay people without receiving proportionate value. To attempt to coerce that is extorsion.

    Your real value is totally dependent on what you produce and the harmony you bring to the system you work for.

    A man I knew many years ago ran a small marine organization with operations in the Caribbean and had local employees. I asked him how he managed to keep his crews filled, given the indifference to responsibilities there. He said- We offer good jobs, we pay on time, and we expect those who work for us to be on time and do good work. If one doesn't show up and has not contacted us, I assume that person has quit, and they are immediately replaced. We keep a list of people who ask for jobs, we just contact the next one on the list until the job is filled, usually the same or next day. That's our policy, our employees know it the day they are hired.
    It was indeed a fair policy, and it worked.

    We would be wise to consider the advice of an old Scottish economist from the late 1700's:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to selfishness;
    From selfishness to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”

    ― Alexander Fraser Tytler

    America is 247 years old. Dependence is rapidly increasing, and freedom declining. History shows us following Tytler's outline. Will it show us breaking the pattern and restoring the liberty and abundance we once worked so diligently for? Enable that to be our legacy to the future instead of dependency and bondage?
    We the people- have that choice.
     
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    maybe they like their job, just need better pay, why don't employer just hire new employees? why can't ceo work for 15 million?
     
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    If they don't like the pay, then they don't like the job. They should find a better job.

    I don't set CEO pay. That is the job of the board of directors.
     

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