Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. Pisa

    Pisa Well-Known Member

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    There's no such thing as right leaning fascists. Fascists are far right. Bibi is not far right, never was.

    Bibi Netanyahu is - well, was, because he seems a bit senile lately - one of the most brilliant minds in Israeli politics. His most obvious fault is his fondness for power.
     
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    Only if you are actually "quoting" them. If I am just relating the gist of your comments, without using quotation marks, then I cannot possibly be misquoting you (because I would not be quoting you, at all).

    I'd wanted to make it read a little more colorfully, by changing the word "females," to the description, "someone wearing heels." I think the idea came across, unchanged.


    Ah-- thanks for explaining; but that seems quite a bit of a reach, especially in the context of why I had made my comment about the gender proportions, to begin with:

    DEFinning said: ↑

    If that group is representative of the hostages, Hamas seems to have had an almost two-to-one preference for women... I hope my added concerns over this partiality, are unfounded.

    I don't think there was any objective reason to assume, then, that in my expression of relief, in response to your saying, essentially, that girls are just easier to catch--

    Thingamabob said: ↑
    It's like sports. Those who run the fastest .....

    DEFinning said: ↑
    Yes, that is what I'd been hoping was the reason: just easier to catch


    -- there was any hint of insult, or hidden insinuation. That is why your attitude, going forward (hopefully, we can forego a reiteration of the subsequent posts) had come across as confrontational, which is something I tend to mirror back.

    But as long as you are not going to make a habit of jumping to negative conclusions about my posts, based on imaginary evidence, and will instead ask for me to clarify my meaning up front, when there's reason for doubt, then I'm all in favor of things, now being cool between us.

     
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    You didn't answer the question - what is the nationality of Soros, Rothschild, Kissinger...Blinkin, Mayorkas,.... What is the nationality of Attorney General Garland?

    Don't you have enough intelligence to recognize a typo? Of course I'm talking about Mossad.
    ...Although, after recent events, you can call that organization anything you want.
     
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    Surely the 8 day in huts thing could be given a pass given active armed conflict in the area?
     
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    750 Murdered ... 2500 wounded ... 150 or so kidnapped including children... and numbers will go Up
    If the IDF will not do to Gaza what the Allies did to Dresden in Germany, the Israelis have no future in the Middle East.
    Let them start looking for foreign passports.
     
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    I'm glad we ........
     
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    Welp. The toll has started to be paid by Palestine. Good job Hamas! All you did was lose the west bank with this little stunt.
     
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    This link called it:
    Israeli Settlers Move on the Holiest Site in Jerusalem — Setting Off a New Crisis
    Emboldened by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, religious ideologues attacked one of the few spots of Palestinian control in the city.

    And that was 5 months ago and just last week 800 settlers stormed the mosque protected by the Israeli police.


    " The consequences this time could be more dire than in years past. "

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAWegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1EU2Fs2kYVJlgJMu1APNbe
     
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    They were not wandering nomads.
    They lived in cities, villages, farms and towns.
    Illegal migrants from Europe stole their lands from them in 1948:


    "Israel has spoken this blood-soaked language of violence to the Palestinians since Zionist militias seized more than 78 percent of historic Palestine, destroyed some 530 Palestinian villages and cities and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. Some 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed between 1947 and 1949 to create the state of Israel in 1948."

    There has been a territory known as Palestine for centuries as Lord Balfour knew when he promised a Jewish homeland (not state) in Palestine:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

    "The opening words of the declaration represented the first public expression of support for Zionism by a major political power.

    "The term 'national home' had no precedent in international law, and was intentionally vague as to whether a Jewish state was contemplated.

    "The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words 'in Palestine' meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine."
     
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    Israeli airstrikes in Gaza are a form of terror campaign against a people who have basically become desensitized by such terror tactics and have been left hopeless enough to not be deterred by such moves. Otherwise, Hamas' real military assets are not found in these buidlings but in underground tunnels and bunkers. I mention this just to emphasize the pervasive nature of the propaganda that is parrotted as news in the western media. Whenever Israel claims to have degraded Hamas' military capabilities, they are basically counting on Hamas depleting its stockpiles of weapons and rockets. Unlike Israel, which has its stockpiles immediately replinshed by the US, the limited stockpiles Hamas have managed to develop are finite. At some point, those stockpiles will indeed diminish and finish. The evidence shows we have not reached that point.

    While the terror tactics against the Palestinians in Gaza will not have any real impact in the war (except to placate the bloodthirst of the homecrowd in Israel and giving a sense of Israel doing something in response to the attacks that were carried out against it), the same tactics used in the past against Lebanon did have significant effect in limiting Hezbollah's room for manuever. Unlike the Palestinians who are under occupation, hopeless and have no where else to go, the people of Lebanon aren't as keen on seeing their homes wrecked and ruined and their loved ones killed. Besides, Lebanon is a fractured society politically and across sectarian lines. Not all groups in Lebanon support Hezbollah and many have worked closely with western powers to limit its room for maneuver and undermine it.

    The latter is significant because, on a purely military level, Hezbollah should be able to match much of what Israel can throw at it and has otherwise (other than what I mentioned) fewer vulnerabilities than the Israelis. And that means that if the dynamics in the conflict between Israel and Hamas reach the point where public opinion is left sufficiently outraged by Israeli actions, then Hezbollah can make its move but not before. In this mix, the US has deployed forces to the eastern mediterranean to signal a readiness to enter the fray in case Hezbollah enters into the conflict or in case forces elsewhere in the region such as in Syria decide to do so. Of course, there are also those in the US, Israel and elsewhere, including among certain Iranian opposition groups, who are and have been itching to see a war with Iran. That possibiity cannot be ruled out entirely right now, depending on how events in the region unfold and chances that this conflict will eventually lead to a much larger war are higher than anytime except in the aftermath of the US assassination of General Soleimani.
     
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    700,000 Palestinians were displaced in 1948 which is roughly ten percent of all non-Jews living in Palestine today. If Israel were to empty Gaza of all of its inhabitants. it's hard to imagine where they would go without making life in the Middle East a lot more deadly (and profitable)?
     
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    Israel is a racist, apartheid state ruled by Jews.
    I have a problem with racists.
    Do you?
     
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    IDF snipers target children.
    Are they your friends?
     
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    Now that would be an apocalyptic scenario for sure! And someone ... I don't know who, take your pick .... will find that red button connected to one of those nuclear silos. I do believe the last men standing will be in Russia and China. A new start! And a better one?
     
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    So true, so true.
    I do.
     
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    You had someone else in mind then when you wrote this?


     
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    Agreed. They will always call Israel a bloodthirsty apartheid state. They will always ask Israel for restraint. I've been tired of this BS for a long time. All these people try to pretend like Islamic countries aren't theocratic and military dictatorships. They are almost all apartheid states that discriminate against non-Muslims (Dimmis) and Women. They don't allow for freedom of speech and expression. They kill apostates and homosexuals. Just look at the law on the books in countries neighboring Israel.

    Hamas hasn't allowed the Gazans to elect leaders since they took power in 2006, and they will never give their people free and fair elections cause they know the results won't be in their favor anymore. Their ascent to power is the reason Israel is blockading Gaza. They weren't going to let them receive shipments of weaponry. It's bad enough that Hamas tunnels weapons in from Egypt. Like Iran, they were a continuous security threat to Israel that created an urgency for a combined conservative faction led by Bibi.

    I think Hamas has made a huge mistake.
     
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    This is NOT a mistake.
    This is Inshallah the opening door to Hell for Gaza.
     
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    Fascism is just an Italianized form of Marxist Lennism that would eventually morph into Nazism (Germanized). Mussolini was a disciple of Lenin. The categorization of left and right is a meaningless distinction.
     
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    White tribalism. Putin rejects white supremacist doctrines from NATO.
     
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    Video of an IDF veteran talking about his experience in the Israeli army and the massacre in a Palestinian village:
    https://vk.com/video-186944343_456266175

    - One of the soldiers raped a 16-year-old girl *laughs*.
    - He put Palestinians in a cage and killed them.
    - If I saw schoolchildren with their hands up, I killed them.
    - We took no prisoners and shot Palestinians who surrendered.

    Am I the only one who thinks he's telling this with great relish? ...This is some kind of cannibalism!
     
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    Itself a racist comment...
     

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