The data is from the study linked in bullet point three of the OP. Statistically speaking, being shot outside the home by someone you live with who owns a gun is rare, but that was the most common result in the referenced study.
No that's the good study I was already familiar with. The other study I think is somewhat poorly done on a superficial read. Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home | NEJM Living alone and renting are likely spurious relationships stemming from other demographic things like age or socioeconomic status (SES). The thing to control for is socioeconomic status, not renting or living alone. I did not see where they accounted for SES and if it accounts for the renting and living alone relationships. Edit: I did find they controlled for age, but not SES. As for gated community, that is likely spurious for more dangerous areas. I mean, it's fine to use these things as proxies in order to indirectly control for confounders, but what's bad is that people like you read it and think it means they're saying living alone is causative when it's actually spurious. I don't think you quite have the right, but I'll grant homicide is rare in the group studied (talking about the good study, not the one I just linked). What's even more rare is murder by home invaders.
"No, lynchings would not become much more common without armed citizens." You didn't ask for a study on armed women reducing rape o wise and learned one. 1) That is so disingenuous. First you say the studies don't count, now you say you never saw them. Honestly, would it cause you physical harm to either be better at lying or to simply be blunt about refusing to read links that disagree with you? Serious question here. 2) https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/...Mj5kUWsuuNFMXELiITYiAz-qpsuzuBLEyAEwvOZ6FP1uA https://reason.com/2022/09/08/a-new...southerners-access-to-guns-reduced-lynchings/ https://static1.squarespace.com/sta.../1661975378553/Guns_under_Jim_Crow_8_4_22.pdf
You presented it as a study on lynching. Lynching is not relevant to the present day. Rare anecdotes are not relevant. So in that case, yes, I don't care about how it worked in the jim crow south compared to present day. You said (or at least implied) you presented a study on women being protected from rape by guns. You didn't as far as i know.
This study by Kellermann is the seminal study on the mortality effect of guns in the home. Virtually no study claims causation for any of the factors. It's either "highly associated with" or " highly correlated". Murder, perhaps. Injury? https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf
I'm all for weapons training returning to schools. Rifle teams and the like. As for the anti tobacco and anti drug education campaigns.......... you realize those are mandatory in schools right? You don't opt out of D.A.R.E. class, that's not allowed. Instead you have to sit there and learn everything in your house that can get you high, and what being high is.
Again: Why do you insist on telling a falsehood when what you said is LITERALLY here for us all to see? A serious question here, as people who intentionally lie when they know they'll be caught are often crying for help. Do you need help? Emphasis mine of course. According to the NAACP its an ongoing issue, according to the studies findings it only dipped in tandem with black gun ownership rising, and according to the findings gun control disproportionately effects black people and prevents them from owning a gun. You want gun control, and have said you don't mind lynchings going up. For shame doc.
You are incorrect about my position. There is no falsehood here, I am not sure what you think is false. It's really simple. I don't care about lynching. I don't think it's relevant to the present day. You think it is. I don't care. I was, however, interested in the rape vs gun ownership stuff which you implied you have studies on.
Violent crime continues to surge in the UK decades after the Dunblane gun ban because criminals know that weapons work. No amount of "education" telling them that guns don't work will have any impact on that reality or the ability of criminals to easily obtain guns and every other kind of weapon. The Inconvenient Truth: Wherever the public is rendered helpless by government crime will pay -- bigly.
No, violent crime went down overall. There was a blip up in homicide a few years later, but again that was due to their biggest serial killer getting caught and all of his murders being added to that year.
And are drugs more or less of a problem now than in the 60s? The biggest success though was anti-tobacco. Smoking is far less common now. Weapons training I don't really have a problem with personally, but part of health education should be that having an unlocked and loaded gun at home makes the family less safe, not more.
In fact, gun control laws encourage violent crime and undermine law and order every time they are imposed. “Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.” “Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.” ““Labour is calling for urgent national leadership to tackle gun smuggling, a summit to coordinate action against serious violence in all areas and for police to get back into communities.”” THE GUARDIAN, Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales, Exclusive: analysis reveals firearms offences have increased in 29 out of 43 forces over past decade, By Robyn Vinter, Thu 1 Sep 2022 13.00 EDT, Last modified on Fri 2 Sep 2022 00.26 EDT. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ds-of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales
Seminal or not, it did not handle communicating confounders very well, at best. It found the same thing as the well designed and written study, though.
Well duh if you make firearms illegal, firearm offenses can go up and can reflect criminals finding ways to access guns. Even if that's not what is meant, I'm more interested in things like murder rates and violent crime rates since the policy goal is to reduce death/victimization.
The cohort study found that there was virtually no change to the mortality rate between living with someone with a handgun and not living with someone with a handgun.
You have clearly been disinformed. But that happened whenever irrational gun control schemes and corrupt ineffective criminal justice systems begin to unravel. But the truth is not all that hard to find: “She said: “In many areas gun crime has now got worse but police forces are struggling to turn it round because they have lost so many neighbourhood police and are seeing widespread detective shortages after a decade of Conservative cuts to police numbers. “Labour is calling for urgent national leadership to tackle gun smuggling, a summit to coordinate action against serious violence in all areas and for police to get back into communities.” THE GUARDIAN, Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales, Exclusive: analysis reveals firearms offences have increased in 29 out of 43 forces over past decade, By Robyn Vinter, Thu 1 Sep 2022 13.00 EDT, Last modified on Fri 2 Sep 2022 00.26 EDT. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ds-of-police-force-areas-in-england-and-wales https://academic.oup.com › bjc › advance-article-abstract › doi › 10.1093 › bjc › azad047 › 7264850 How Priority Ordering of Offence Codes Undercounts Gendered Violence ... Sep 8, 2023However, after recognizing that the rule led to an undercount of crime, in January 2021 the UCR transitioned to the National Incident-Based Reporting System ... Form module of the Crime Survey for England and Wales (called British Crime Survey until 2011/12), deposited to the UK Data Service. Neither https://theweek.com › gun-violence › 957823 › why-is-gun-crime-on-the-rise Why is gun crime on the rise? | The Week Sep 2, 2022published September 02, 2022 Two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales are seeing rising gun crime, according to analysis of Home Office data carried out by The Guardian. Shinzo Abe... https://theweek.com/gun-violence/957823/why-is-gun-crime-on-the-rise https://www.independent.co.uk › news › uk › crime › gun-crime-rise-england-wales-b2158892.html Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and ... Sep 3, 2022Gun crime has risen in two-thirds of police forces across England and Wales, with one facing a six-fold increase in 10 years. A total of 29 out of 43 police forces have seen an increase in... https://www.lbc.co.uk › news › gun-crime-rising-lawless-uk Gun crime rises for two-thirds of police forces as fears of 'lawless UK ... Sep 2, 2022Two-thirds of police forces across England and Wales have seen rising gun crime, including one facing six times the amount recorded a decade ago. A total of 29 of the 43 forces saw a rise in gun crime in the past 10 years despite an overall 14% drop in the same amount of time. Eight saw the offences https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-england-47157967 Gun crime highest for a decade for four police forces - BBC News West Yorkshire Police dealt with 481 incidents of firearms offences, a rise of 10% on the previous year and more than double the figure recorded four years earlier. Bedfordshire Police handled... https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11762521 › Firearm-offences-London-soar-2-500-one-year-850-incidents-England-Wales.html Gun offences in London soar 2,500% in one year ... - Daily Mail Online Feb 19, 2023Gun crime across England and Wales almost doubled in the space of one year according to shocking new offence statistics which highlighted an astonishing 2533% increase in London alone.. Analysis ... https://www.mylondon.news › news › uk-world-news › london-overtaken-gun-capital-britain-27608181 London overtaken as UK gun capital after huge surge in Birmingham gang ... Aug 28, 2023The surge means the West Midlands, with a population of 2.9 million, over takes gun hotspot London, home to 8.8 million where the Met Police, the UK's largest force, logged 1,087 gun crimes in the same period. West Midland's police have dealt with 19 shootings and scores of firearms offences https://www.mirror.co.uk › news › uk-news › birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714 Birmingham named 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence Aug 26, 2023The surge has seen the West Midlands, with a population of 2.9 million, overtake previous gun hotspot London, home to 8.8 million and where the Met Police - the country's largest force ... https://www.actmedical.co.uk › news › knife-and-gun-crime-rates-continue-to-rise Knife and Gun Crime Rates Continue to Rise — ACT Medical Apr 12, 2023Incidences of knife and gun crime have been on the rise in recent years. This blog post discusses some key statistics, as well as the factors contributing to the rise and what is being done to address this. ... UK Knife Crime . In England and Wales last year, there were more than 45,000 knife crime https://news.sky.com › story › recorded-crime-in-england-and-wales-hits-all-time-high-12731343 Violence and rape drive recorded crime to a new high in England and ... Oct 27, 2022The number of crimes recorded by police in England and Wales has hit an all-time high, with a big increase in violent and sexual offences. A total of 6.5 million crimes were recorded in the 12 months to June, up from the previous record of 6.3 million in the year to March. https://www.thenationalnews.com › world › uk-news › 2022 › 11 › 29 › double-stabbing-near-regents-park-piles-pressure-on-london-mayor-sadiq-khan Map reveals scale of violent crime wave in London - The National Nov 29, 2022Updated: November 30, 2022, 12:10 AM London View from London Nine people have died due to stabbings and shootings in the capital since October 25 https://www.standard.co.uk › news › crime › met-police-murder-2023-trend-crime-homicide-london-crime-b1098346.html Met Police shocked by trend of 'ferocious' and 'excessively violent ... Aug 3, 2023News | Crime. Rise in 'ferocious' and 'excessively violent' murders in London, says Met. There have been 65 murders in the capital so far this year, of which six were gun-related and 49 ... https://www.mylondon.news › news › south-london-news › horrific-81-hours-londons-streets-26234490 Horrific 81 hours of London violence sees 14 people stabbed and 1 shot dead Feb 14, 2023Horrific 81 hours on London's streets sees 14 people stabbed and 1 shot dead in terrifying crime wave. A number of serious incidents have taken place over a very short period of time. ... A teenager was rushed to hospital after a violent robbery in South West London on Sunday. Police rushed to
IOW, you know that the UK gun ban encouraged more gun crime. Violent criminal become a dominant force wherever the people who have to face them are rendered helpless by law. “Almost 90 retail leaders, including the bosses of Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Boots and WH Smith, have written to the government demanding action on rising retail crime, in which violent criminals are “emptying stores”. The retailers, who also include the bosses of Aldi, Primark and Superdrug, call for the creation of a new UK-wide aggravated offence of assaulting or abusing a retail worker – as already exists in Scotland – which would carry tougher sentences and require police to record all incidents of retail crime and allow the allocation of more resources. “The police consistently tell us that a lack of data about these offences means they have no visibility about the nature or scale of the issue,” the letter says.” THE GUARDIAN, Major UK retail bosses plead for staff protection as ‘violent criminals empty stores’, UK business leaders have asked for a meeting with the home secretary to press for a new offence of assaulting or abusing shop staff, By Sarah Butler, Sun 1 Oct 2023 01.00 EDT. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-protection-as-violent-criminals-empty-stores
According to NIDA? The rate of drug use has steadily fluctuated up 5% and down 5% from a baseline of near 20%, since they started keeping track. You can plug this into a chart that tracks "drug enforcement spending" and see they don't even correlate. Drug war spending is an exponential growth curve, and use goes up 5 down 5, just puttering along. You still haven't proven that, and you can teach gun safety in weapons training. Take it or leave it.
Again: You literally claimed I said something I didn't, when its quotable. Now you're doubling down instead of saying "you caught me" and just moving on. Seriously: Seek help. Again: The studies show lynchings fall with rising black gun ownership. What you want will, again per the studies, have a disproportionate impact on black gun ownership. Ergo, what you want WILL increase lynchings per the SCIENTIFIC STUDIES ALREADY CITED MULTIPLE TIMES. Refute that with a study, or be silent.
I love how they cherry picked countries in much of that data. If it’s so probable then why not include them all and not just the comparisons that fit their agenda
This is suppose to be a study or an agenda? I’m going to call this an agenda article. They cherry picked countries to fit their predetermined narrative. Adjusting numbers or examples to fit your goals is hardly considered factual.
Dude a hundred little anecdotes and year to year variation don't prove your point. Here's something better: Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) I showed the graph for overall crime, violent crime has a similar curve.
Here this will clear it up for you: I read that as you claiming there are studies to prove your rape claim. That post of yours, thankfully, wasn't about ****ing lynching. Then again, I can see from my prior reply you may have been referring to lynching. So apparently, it's a misunderstanding that occured because I don't ****ing care about lynching. Again, you will not get me to care about lynching as I believe it is rare and irrelevant.
Thanks, it doesn't do anything but show how disingenuous you're being. Do you not see the ****ing paragraph break, and do you not see that my responses mirror the sentence structure of your own posts? Per the studies, what you're about to do is going to cause it to occur with alarming frequency again. It was only stopped, again per the studies, because black gun ownership has ballooned (thankfully). Refute that with a study, or **** about it.
No man, it was a misunderstanding. Feel free to blame me for the misunderstanding, but I definitely thought you were talking about rape. Maybe I was seeing what I wanted to see, because I never wanted to talk about lynching. I'm not going to refute it because I think it's too ridiculous to even consider. I mean WTF, isn't it conservatives who said we're in a post-racial society now?
