NRA torches Biden admin for plan to change rules for gun buyers, sellers

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  1. TOG 6

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    Just those which do not pass the test laid out by the USSC in Bruen.
     
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    Without looking up Bruen, if the second amendment is to be taken in a literal sense, it does not mention Bruen. And it takes an act of Congress to change an amendment, not a judge.
     
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    It's interesting that you said this while also cutting this part of the quote:
    I guess you are ok with getting people killed as long as the killing is done by someone else.
     
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    Where’s the argument questioning your common sense or the lack there of? :confused:
    ETA: My meaning is that I, as a law abiding citizen, am safer with a gun with which to defend myself against criminal elements who are and will be armed with a gun regardless of anti guns laws than I’d be without a gun. If you can’t understand that.. I feel sorry for you.
     
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    And therefore unquestionably prohibits any and every infringement on the ownership and use of all weapons.
    Congress cannot change amendments
    Judges interpret and apply the constitution; in this case Bruen is the controlling holding.
     
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    Good idea, step toward regulating private sales, would curtail such as “Armslist,” which is nothing but a hassle free way to buy guns over the Internet

    And doesn’t violate any rights, no right is absolute, never has been, they are all constitutionally regulated
     
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    As long as you understand those lefties from CA coming to your state and changing everything – they are changing school system, they are changing what kind of restaurant you have, they are changing what kind of grocery shop you have, they are changing what kind of books they read to kids, they are changing what kind of people attend 4th of July parade , they are changing who gets to be mayor of your city or what kind of medical procedure they offer in your hospital.. well as long as you understand all these you are halfway there. I am just letting you know , nothing, I mean nothing you can do about it because those lefties from CA are coming in your neighborhood much grater number and they are egger to vote the way they voted in CA or NYC!
     
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    You don't know how armslist works, eh?
    The only constitutionally sound regulations on the right to keep and bear arms are those which can pass the test laid out by the USSC in Bruen.
    Spoiler: The regulations under discussion here, do not quality.
     
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    You're 11 times more likely to kill yourself with your gun than to stop a criminal act.

    And if carrying a gun increased safety, gang members wouldn't be killing each other.

    If you can’t understand that.. I feel sorry for you.
     
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    Sure I do, everyone does, it is Craigslist for guns, a private sale, as long as you complete it in State, plus simply check off a box showing you promise to follow all rules and regulations, the transaction is good, as I said, no hassle sale of gun over the Internet

    How wouldn’t it follow, and please, spare us Thomas’s sophomoric explanation of history and what the Founders wanted
     
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    Just the fact that States with strict gun laws have considerably less gun violence than those with lean gun laws proves him wrong
     
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    You aren't buying the gun over the internet - you're buying it in person.
    It is impossible to demonstrate the restrictions under discussion here are consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.
    As such, the 2nd Amendment presumptively protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms from said restrictions.
     
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    Maybe I should move from midsize suburbia, where I can be armed, to downtown Chicago? :no:
     
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    Your statement is false.
     
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    I’ll remember that you don’t care about history and the intentions of our Founding Fathers.
     
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    You make contact via the Internet, ie, such as Armslist, makes it all possible, easily possible, ant dimwit looking for a gun can do it

    If it is “impossible” that means it an not be done, which it can not, and as I said, all rights are legally regulated, including the Second Amendment, zero rights are absolute, even Scalia admitted such in his Heller opinion
     
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    Certainly would enrich your life, or, you can live your life of mediocrity existing in the burbs, probably a gated community I’d bet
     
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    And you buy the gun in person, not over the internet.
    ... and thus, the 2nd Amendment presumptively protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms from said restrictions.
     
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    The Founding Fathers' intention with the 2A was to prevent a foreign power from invading the US.

    Why is this relevant today?
     
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    Thomas’s interpretation was not history, rather a personal sophomoric version of history, and no one knows what the Founders were thinking, the whole concept of Originalism is bullshit
     
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    Gated? Sometimes I wish. It’s a freaking jungle that I meander through daily.
     
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    Then you better stay far away from anything urban, I’d recommend somewhere where there as many cows as people
     
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    It’s not really that bad. I’ve driven thru the worst parts of town on a daily base without any problems.

    It’s the homeless problem that erks me. Beggars on street corners, asking for money at gas stations, etc.
     
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    I am one of those people. I collect curios and relics. I am curious how you would answer: What is the difference between a nonviolent person with 1 gun, and a nonviolent person with 100?
     
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    What?
    Cars have to be registered
    Cars have to be insured
    Cars have to be tagged
    Transfers are done through the state

    Thanks for the additional examples

    I would be fine with a national firearm license that doesn’t require repeat checks.

    Thank you for your opinion

    The courts disagree with you.

    Just wait until we get a liberal USSC that puts “well regulated militia” back into the law.
     
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