Will you accept Supreme Court ruling on 14th Amendment??

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Will you accept Supreme Court ruling on 14th Amendment & Trump??

  1. I will not accept them ruling that Trump can be banned or is banned.

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  2. I will not accept them ruling that States cannot ban him.

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  3. I will accept any decision the Supreme Court makes.

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  1. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

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    Historically due process has included a jury and a trial especially when concerning losing your rights and privileges. He is also protected by equal rights clause and therefore entitled to the same process as everyone else when being denied rights and privileges per criminal statutes
     
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    The 14th Amendment includes an Enforcement Clause in Section 5, which states "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article". This means that the responsibility of enforcing the 14th Amendment lies with the U.S. Congress and only the U.S. Congress. Period. There is no gray area.

    These judges and Secretary of State and their egregiously wrong decisions will get bitchslapped by the SCOTUS.
     
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    I will comply but never accept. I will protest peacefully but will be sympathetic and support peaceful civil disobedience.

    The destruction to our elections will ensue when people can be removed from ballots of the opposing party for nearly any argument and Congress begins to reject electors because of these unconstitutional elections where people are not allowed to vote for opposing parties. Our elections will be a mess and the blame will fall on SCOTUS's for the destruction of our democracy because the failed to rule correctly.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think changing the votes to 50 means we will have far right or far left SC justices only
     
  5. JohnHamilton

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    CA knows Trump has no chance of winning there so he can be on the ballot. They took their queue from presidential hopeful Gavin Newsom who is moving to look like a moderate. Trump would have no trouble staying on the ballot in Illinois, New York, Washington and Oregon because he has no chance of winning in those states also.
     
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    We'll all be able to see for ourselves when we read the decision.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    Well since you regard the current Supreme Court as illegitimate I guess that's what you want.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have no idea what your point is. But I doubt you do either. Due process HAS been followed to the T.
     
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    And?
     
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    Verdict first, trial afterwards.
     
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    The USSC can make mistakes like Roe. The People must work to change the court or the law if they don't like a decision. It aint easy but is preferable to strife and violence.
     
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    It is up to Congress, not the courts.... Congress enforces the 14th amendment... Trump was acquitted by the Senate in Congress...
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thats debatable.
     
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    It is not debatable... it is written in the constitution.
     
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    No, it's not.
     
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    You really need to stop commenting on the legal system.

    Congress legislates...it does not enforce.
    The Executive Branch enforces the laws
    The Judicial Branch interprets the law.

    The 14th Amendment, section 5 says
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    IOW, Congress has the power to create laws that define insurrection and the power to determine what punishment should be given for violation of the legislation.

    Congress did that by passing 18 USC 2383

    It is then up to the executive branch to investigate violations and, if necessary, prosecute anyone in violation.
     
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    Congress does not have the power to acquit someone in a legal matter. That is the power of the court.
    An impeachment is not a legal proceeding it is a political procedure. The sole purpose of impeachment is to determine if someone holding public office should be removed from that office because of their behavior.

    If you are impeached there is no legal punishment. The WORST that can happen to you is that you are removed from office. That's it. You can't be fined, you can't be imprisoned. That's because in an impeachment there is no determination of guilt or non guilt of a crime.
     
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    I doubt the left will accept it. As soon as it is decided, they will be screaming that the judges are biased, and incite violence against the justices, just as they did after Dobbs.
     
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    LOL, what? You got any videos of mindless dipshit leftists storming the Capitol in the name of Hillary?
     
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    You are kidding right?

    I'm trying to remember the rights reaction to Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas, Obergefell v. Hodges.

    Oh that's right, crying night after night about how the court was "activist" and "liberal"

    Which court is having investigations looking into threats against them?
    Which Secretary of State is currently having the same thing done?

    Who was it who stormed the Capitol building forcing the evacuation of Congress?

    Cry me a river about the threats from the liberals. In this country the majority of political violence is brought by the right wing.
     
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    Stacking the court, or packing as some people say, means adding additional judges.
     
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    @Nwolfe35

    Congress removes a president.... not the courts...

    Section 5 Congress enforces the 14th amendment.... Congressional articles of impeachment "incitement of insurrection" against the U.S. government and "lawless action at the Capitol"... Trump was acquitted of those articles of impeachment on February 13, 2021. Congress enforces the 14th amendment.... not the courts..

    And the courts never charged or convicted Trump of insurrection after leaving office after his term was fully completed......
     
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    Stacking the court and packing the court are two different things.

    PACKING the court means, as you said, adding additional judges. The Constitution does not dictate the number of justices on the Supreme Court...the number is determined by Congress. Currently there are nine justices but we have had, over the course of our history, as few as five and as many as ten. The number nine has been in place since 1869

    STACKING the court means putting as many justices on the court that hold to a particular political ideology. The Republicans crossed a line with the death of Scalia in February of 2016. After Scalia died but before Obama had announced a nominee McConnell declared that he would refuse to hold hearings on anyone Obama nominated. A tactic never used before in the history of our country. McConnell made the disingenuous argument that since it was an election year that the people should get a say in who the next nominee would be and wait until the new President was sworn in. This rank hypocrisy was laid bare when Ruth Bader Ginsberg died in September of 2020. McConnell then pushed through the Trump nominee of Amy Coney Barrett. Trump nominated her on September 26 and she was confirmed on October 27. 31 days. Significantly quicker than the average of 55 days since the 1950s
     
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