How many wars is the US currently engaged in?

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How many wars is the US currently engaged in?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1 Yemen 2002 - present - 378 US drone strikes, weapons sales and training to Saudi Arabian side, and US Army special forces at border fight Houthi

    2 Somalia 2007- present Hundreds of US drone strikes, 450 US troops in Somalia as of June 2023

    3 Niger 2013 - present 1,000 US troops in Niger as of Dec 2023

    4 Syria 2014 - present 11,200 US airstrikes 900 troops present as of Jan 2023

    5 Houthi 2023- present response to keep Red Sea shipping lanes open to Israeli shipping

    That's trimmed slightly and lifted from wikipedia,

    6 they didn't mention our proxy war against Russia in Ukraine to which we've contributed 130 billion dollars mostly in weapons, but some in pay to UAF soldiers, and training and targeting data.

    7 Gaza - without thousands of tons of US made bombs and ammo there wouldn't be many
    deaths in Gaza, so I count that as a US war also.

    8 Iran - US attacks alleged through ISIS

    9 Show of force and threats against China, for no good reason,
    but perhaps a show of strength will help Biden's chances in
    the coming election.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    9: The US officially accepts that Taiwan is part of China, so it's difficult to see why we are willing to risk a World War to make a point
    especially when it is difficult to articulate exactly what that point is.

    United States policy. The United States' One-China policy was first stated in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972: "the United States acknowledges that Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China.
     
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    6 Is the same as 9; a war involving a super power, the Russian Federation in 6, China in 9.

    Looking behind the rationalization - the driving force is to make money for the weapons makers in both situations -
    but the potential to do big damage to the US economy and prestige in both cases is a possible outcome..

    If we 'win' there's no benefit to the country or to the US public but if we fight for a few
    years then quit, there's big downsides for both.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Knowing their future as weapons industry lobbyists, the Generals
    are always for war,

    perpetual optimists, that war and weapons
    will get the US the future we want,

    or maybe they want.
     
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    Tell me about this one please.

    Because I wouldn't doubt it, but I'd like to see the argument.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That allegation was reported in Atlantic Council, and very likely many other places:

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/iransource/isis-iran-kerman-israel-us/


    The rationale might be from the successful US use of Mujahideen and 'radical Muslim'
    fighters in Afghanistan, and decades later in the US attempt to topple Assad in Syria.

    Early reports at the end of the NATO attack on Libya were that surplus containers of weapons
    were sent to the Middle East marked 'ISIS' but after reports of ISIS doing beheadings, the
    State Department denied supporting ISIS.

    There are also suggestions that 'ISIS' being an abbreviation, would not have been used
    by radical Muslims and is a term only fed to the media from time to time for whatever
    reason.
     
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    We're bombing cities in Yemen, right now.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If those are just ordinary iron bombs the MIC won't make much money, hopefully they'll use expensive ones
    because if not the war won't make a big profit for anybody.

    And it won't do much for the GDP.
     
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    Well, first define "war." Is it only between nations? One would think it must at least involve armed conflict, so I don't think troops just being there counts. Providing support to one side isn't armed conflict with our forces, so I don't think gaza counts.
     
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    They'll use the expensive ones.

    Until now we have been engaged in a battle where they launch swarms of $2,000 drones and rockets at us, and we shoot them down, one by one, with $2,000,000 missiles. What's not for a defense contractor to love?
     
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    You can now add Yemen to that total, bringing the figure to 37 now.
     
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    Very good question. I'm lazy and just follow the official figures, which only counts wars
    once a main wing of the military is involved and perhaps 3 months have passed so
    Congress has approved the funding.

    For example two years ago I did not consider our 'civil war' in Ukraine to be a 'war'
    because the budget was only 5 billion dollars for overthrow of the government
    and it was run under the CIA covert operations from early 2014 or a bit earlier,
    and it only started being called a 'war' after we had sent 700 million dollars in
    weapons and cash in one early shipment and the Democrats had control and
    wanted a war to show they were doing something, and maybe to hide something.

    Is it really 37? I can't count that high.
     
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    The US has zero wars declared after Biden ended the war in Afghanistan. I wonder why you didn’t include 0 as an option seeing that it is the only factual response.
     
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    Not anymore. Bibed Joe just shot off his mouth and got us thrown out.

    RESTORING RESPECT FOR AMERICA ON THE WORLD STAGE:

    'The Biden admin sent a delegation to Niger to have "frank discussions" about how the Nigeriens were not living up to the Biden admin's values. Guess what happened next!'

    'Niger revokes a military agreement with the US relating to the status of US military staff in the country. The US has about 1,000 troops still in Niger and $110 million drone base. The announcement comes only 48 hours after a US delegation visited Niger'

    https://twitter.com/katarinah/statu...n^s3_&ref_url=https://instapundit.com/637415/

    Larry Summers:

    'Somebody from a developing country said to me, ‘what we get from China is an airport. What we get from the United States is a lecture.''

    China Taking Over Africa: ‘China’s Second Continent.’
     

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