Johnson Intended To Stop Ukraine Aid, Not Pass An Immigration Bill

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  1. dharbert

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    And that is exactly correct. Ukraine would have fallen overnight had we not pumped hundreds of billions of dollars into their war machine. And Ukraine still isn't winning, even with the cash and weapons influx.
     
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    If it had "fallen overnight" those hundreds of billions would have been too late. Ukraine's performance in the war is related both to their unexpected resilience and the west's support.
     
  3. dharbert

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    Putin could have launched airstrike after airstrike, carpet bombing run after run, cruise missiles, you name it. Why he didn't do that immediately, I have no idea. All he had to do was launch everything he had at Kyiv and wipe it off the map right off the bat.
     
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    Well this is a war of conquest, not a war for security. The goal isn't to salt the earth as rome vs carthage, but to enhance Russian prosperity and power in the long term. At the same time, however, it's a war putin feels he cannot afford to lose, so ultimately he is willing to do quite a bit to both Ukraine and his own men to achieve his goals.
     
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    There's a good reason why they didn't: the inevitable reaction from the rest of the world. You are literally advising that Putin take a more Hitler-like approach to Ukraine, mimicking what Hilter did in Poland. No, not a good idea, apart from being . . . well, openly fascist.
     
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    Putin's problem with his military is pretty much the same as ours right now. No one wants to fight.
     
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    You start a war to win it, not to pussyfoot around and hope the other side eventually gives up.
     
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    You talking about Putin or Biden??
     
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    Can you name all the political opponents that Biden has murdered? Biden isn’t the one that bragged he could murder someone in the middle of Times Square and not lose a single supporter though.

    Projection is a pitiful debate strategy
     
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    Yes I can't wait for "Russian Collusion: Part 2".

    Leftists don't care at all about Ukraine.

    They just want a war against Russia so they can live vicariously through their suffering.

    Leftists and war-mongers in the US have tried to start a proxy war with Russia for years, after all.

    Ah yes, the wonders of Bidenomics.
     
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    Putin thought he was given a 'green light' by Sponge Brains Craps Pants when the latter mentioned that a 'Minor Incursion' would be tolerated. Look it up.

    Putin wants what every Russian Dictator (has there ever been any other kind?) has want since Peter The Great -- A Warrm Water Port. They don't have one. Vladivostock is semi-warm water but is also 5,000 miles from Europe. They have a port in Syria but that is still Syrian, not Russian. They have frozen ports in the North that are somewhat useful but -- Not, really.

    Putin has Crimea now and he wants a secure Land Route from Crimea to Moscow. It would be the greatest achievement of any Russian leader in History to the minds of many Russians.

    Sponge Brains Craps Pants made all kinds of threats after he stepped on his D%6$8 and told Putin to go for it.

    Of course, Putin is wiser than most. He knows that when dims make threats they are like the rest of them -- Empty. Just another empty-suit-dim.

    Putin is gonna win. It's going to cost him a lot but he's going to get his Land Bridge. And Ukraine is going to have to learn to live with it. Another dim folly. Like everything else they touch. Everything
     
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    Johnson made it clear the border was dead on arrival before today’s meeting and explained why. 5,000 immigrants per day was not a border security bill.
     
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    Even if it had passed, they wouldn't have kept it to just 5,000 per day.
     
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    Exactly. Republicans wanted the border fixed, Democrats wanted more money for a foreign country.

    Well by that definition, Obama helped Putin most of all by sending nothing but blankets to Ukraine.

    Republicans choosing not to send US taxpayer money into a quagmire created by leftist foreign policy is about helping Americans first.

    I know there are war mongers on the right as well, and I have as little use for them as I do war mongering leftists.
     
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    When did Putin take Crimea again?
     
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    Wow that's simple

    After 4 years of watching Trump make a fool of himself

    The Longest government shutdown in history

    Kissing up to Putin and Kim Jung

    Being Laughed at on the world summits

    Ignoring Covid resulting in a million Dead Americans

    etc, etc , etc

    Trump lacks morals and Character

    Trump is an embarrassment to America
     
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    There have been multiple government shutdowns under Biden

    Biden kisses up to Xi Jinping

    Biden is laughed at by leadership of the entire world

    COVID lockdowns under Biden did more harm than good
     
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    There were 1.1 million COVID-related deaths in the United States, which is a "whopping" 0.3% of the population. Not exactly what I'd call a world-ending plague, and definitely not worthy of shutting down the entire country and crippling our economy for four years.
     
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    lol yah and that’s a totally credible endorsement because putin is just that stupid
     
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    Wasn’t trump sending Ukraine weapons also?
     
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    Hey left, the bill didn't get out of the SENATE, you have the votes to pass, what happened???
     
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    They were upset that it didn't allow 37 billion illegals in per day.....
     
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    Exactly ole brain dead good at threats, told Putin he would respond if the Putin critic politician was killed in prison, well that didn't happen. Really punished Iran after telling him in the most serious voice possible..."Don't". Scary stuff and they laughed and did. Lefties seem to love a good proxy war that they can print money for to get america to look the other way at the invasion going on at our southern border.
     
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    Hey ultra right, that's because they (senate leaders) didn't want to hurt the house and cause the House collapse. That's what happened genius.....
     
  25. hawgsalot

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    Yea your 4 senators that voted against is because they didn't want to hurt the House. Why be dishonest?
     

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