Trump Says There's Going To Be A "Bloodbath" If He Doesn't Get Elected

In addition to the above…..

If Congress/Biden were to ban imports of Chinese vehicles “based on security risks”, then said ban would render Trump’s 100% tariff obsolete.

Headline, Feb 2024; U.S. launches investigation of Chinese vehicles, citing security risks

“The Biden Administration announced an investigation into possible security risks of Chinese-manufactured auto, saying that modern vehicles are full of sensors, cameras and software that China could use for espionage or other malign purposes”

Note; Reference to Tik Tok’s possible national security risk, Congress finally made a decision.

 

It is also a government duty to safeguard our national security, for example; Tik Tok’s possible security risks.

FOX Business News; Cheap Chinese EV’s pose a “security risk” to Americans, “Keep them out” economist warns….

“I think we should try and keep them out” Heritage Foundation economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth said.

Biden; “Chinese policies could flood our market with its vehicles, posing risks to our national security.

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Myself, I prefer an outright ban based on security risks rather than imposing a tariff. Also, said ban would prevent an economic bloodbath.

 

Trump.

 

What is the Biden administration's plan for these "Chinese policies"

Trump BTW attempted to close down Tik Tok when he was President:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...ossible-tiktok-ban-as-tough-decision-5c596518

 

Trump is not the man who will safeguard our national security. According to a long list of Trump former officials, “loose lips, loose with secrets”

Also, a Trump classified documents trial would acknowledge the above.

 

It is odd that the members of the organized group that pulled away the bicycle racks have never been publicly identified.
Law enforcement, with its access to so much video surveillance, would have been able to identity all of them within minutes.

"A group of about 50 conspicuous "people" appeared and began milling around those in the grassy circle. They were all dressed in matching garb, had tight stretchy black Balaclava masks exposing only eyes, mouths and noses. Camo pants and shirts over tight olive drab stretchy undershirts. All were in impeccable shape as the under shirts were tight fitting showing off their physique. Looked paramilitary. No guns visible. Several approached and said, "Come on, Let's storm the capitol". In response someone said, "What do you mean storm the capitol? There is no need to storm it, it has been open all day long and people have been walking in and out. Who are you, FBI? Army?" Likely what everyone was thinking. The response was, "You know I could have you arrested just for saying that.", as he invaded the demonstrator's space. Evidently his superior, tugged on his shirt and said, "Cmon, lets go over here." This group then congregated at the bottom of both stairways below most of the crowd. The small group commented they were obviously FBI or commandos or some form of government and watched from a distance on the grass." from your post

 

The American people know that the MSM is not to be trusted.

“There is no incongruity in the fact that a new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed “a lot of confidence” in the press.”

“The Media Insight poll found that close to 90% of Americans consider it extremely important or very important that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only gets the facts wrong but also uses them as political weapons.”
INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY, Only 6% Trust the Media, But It Should Be Less, 4/19/16.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/only-6-trust-media-but-it-should-be-less/

The Inconvenient Truth: MSM = Fake News

 

During the "investigation" photographs were shown of an "informant" standing in a parking lot as they prepared to "infiltrate" the crowd for "surveillance". The FBI acknowledged the informant was working for them. Standing around him were several men dressed EXACTLY like the conspicuous guys at the base of the steps. It wasn't clarified, but the implication was the men standing next to the informant in the image with masks were FBI. None of them were identified because the FBI doesn't reveal the identity of their agents for good reason. Yes they could have identified them in minutes. They know exactly who they assigned to do crowd surveillance that day. I think there might even be a law against publicly identifying FBI agents by name or something. The FBI has acknowledge they had 50+ agents doing undercover surveillance of the crowd. They even played an audio recording of their radio link in which one of their agents notifies the group that a man climbing a tree exposed a gun in the back waistband of his jeans while climbing. There is no doubt the FBI was there. They should have allocated more!

I have scoured through the photos and can't find an image. I did see one not long after Jan 6. So many photos. A large number of them aren't even from Jan 6 making the job more difficult. Regardless, the point is, it was calm and peaceful until shortly after the elderly woman was shot. When the CP (and others) decided to move on the crowd all hell broke loose. Once it got started there were tons of people acting like retards at many different locations. None from the group entered into the fray or even went near there. Remained on the grass then left. Brains I guess (lol). Lots of people share blame that day. It could well be these guys belonged to some other group not affiliated at all with government. There were lots of those there too according to the investigation. You just can't know who is who and what they were up to. Complete confusion and hysteria. Still, it wasn't an insurrection, it was by all accounts just a riot with lots of people agitated and showing their arses. Anyone dumb enough to conduct an insurrection would have to have an IQ of 50 to do such a poor job of it. Organization OF ANY KIND was not the rule of the day on January 6.

There is nothing which indicates who was who. Admittedly any of them could have been neo-Nazi's or skin-heads. Who knows? Definitely there were mistakes made with crowd control. Tough job though. And Pelosi did not do her due diligence insuring the capitol police and other law enforcement had the resources they should have been given. This is why the politicization of the FBI and the subsequent lack of trust the public has developed is such a problem. No one trusts them AT ALL. There needs to be a concerted effort to restore public trust in the FBI. A PR campaign or something. It is in NO ONES interest to have such lack of public trust in the integrity of the FBI, Left or Right. Most of them do great work vital to the interests of the Republic. All the weaponization of the FBI against Trump, and stonewalling anything Biden related at the upper levels is NOT helping.

 

In addition, misinformed people, thus, a great majority, rarely change their minds when presented with the facts.

 

IMO, no one should ever "trust" clandestine police/spy agencies. They are inherently a very subversive threat to the democratic process and should be subjected to constant critical oversight.

Which does not mean that they should be gutted or eliminated. The FBI/CIA can do good work and serve the interests of the American people.
Many inherently evil institutions are also very necessary. Some flexibility and tolerance for error is essential if they are to function at all.


“When federal officials announced, on Oct. 8, 2020, that they had foiled a plot by militant extremists to kidnap Michigan’s governor, it was quickly hailed as one of the most important domestic terrorism prosecutions in a generation. They didn't mention FBI agent Jayson Chambers by name, but those who had worked the case knew that his role helping to run a central informant had been crucial.

There was, however, something about Chambers that some colleagues might not have known: 18 months earlier, he’d incorporated a private security firm and had spent much of 2019 trying to drum up business — in part by touting his FBI casework. …

A continuing BuzzFeed News investigation reveals new information about how Chambers' business, along with an array of issues involving other FBI agents and informants, has bedeviled the prosecution. Those issues may well affect the course of the trial. But beyond the integrity of the case, the problems are serious and widespread enough to call into question tactics the FBI has relied on for decades — and to test the public’s trust in the bureau overall.
BUZZFEED NEWS, The FBI Investigation Into The Alleged Plot To Kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer Has Gotten Very Complicated, The case seemed like a lock — until an informant and one FBI agent were charged with crimes, another was accused of perjury, and a third was found promoting a private security firm. And that wasn’t all. , By Jessica Garrison and Ken Bensinger, December 16, 2021.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/fbi-michigan-kidnap-whitmer

Full due process public hearings are always useful. Witch hunts and show trials are not.

 

They still have an influence on about a 1/3 of the population especially those who do not pay much attention and ta that is a lot. The MSM still has the bigger and louder voice and then of course when the federal government steps in to shut down conservative speed even more...............


I only hope we continue to see more and more people turn the channel off that MSM for the reasons as exemplified in this thread with their immediate hair-on-fire fallacious hyperbole about this. The MSM thinks it's audience is a bunch of idiots and treats it as such.

 

Most people are still exposed to the MSM, but virtually no one still trusts the MSM to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The working presumption, absent thorough verification, is that MSM = Fake News. That is why the firestorm of attacks on DJT always end up helping him.
The MSM functions as a free advertising arm of the Trump campaign.

“But most of the Trump voters I spoke to in New Hampshire were more like Olson — ambivalent and disappointed with their options (“politically agnostic” to borrow Trump Jr.’s term). In general, these were not people inclined to spend a weekday afternoon listening to a suspiciously energetic Matt Gaetz ramble on about the “deep state.” ...

If the projections for a general election less than 300 days away are to be believed, the result could depend on voters, like Olson, who are inclined to offer Trump redemption. In most head-to-head polls, Trump beats Biden by between one and eight percentage points. In polls that factor in Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and other third-party candidates, Trump is ahead by something like ten points. The willingness of people like Olson to give Trump a second chance, then, is more bad news for Democrats, who will need to find a way to attract voters outside their base (if not Olson, people vaguely like her) if they want to secure a second term for the president.”

“So the best decision Olson believes she can make with the information she trusts about the choices before her is the same one she made before. She isn’t happy about it, she said, but she is resigned to it.

She let out a heavy sigh. “I could even see myself going to work on the Trump campaign,” she said. “Not for Trump. Against Biden.”
NEW YORK MAGAZINE, THE POWER TRIP ,Trump Haters Turned Trump Voters Why do so many Americans seem open to giving him a second chance? By Olivia Nuzzi, New York’s Washington correspondent., JAN. 27, 2024. (emphasis mine)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/art...4-republican-presidential-primary-voters.html

 

One only had to watch the glee the women on The View amd MSNBC commentators rubbing their hands together and the prospect of James putting a chain on the doors at Trump Towers to see how so wrapped up in it they miss that most reasonable people see this as an abuse of power for political purposes and have had enough and will end up helping Trump. They total dismiss all the people who stand to ne harmed and not just Trump employees, the other investors in office space, the tenants, the vendors. Then the very real possibility of other people pulling out of New York investments or not looking there for new.

The biggest give awaynis when these anti-Trump taking heads are asked "So what if he has to liquidate Trump Towers or the gold course in Westchester and then WINS on appeal how does he get that back whst abiut the huge loss he wiuld suffer?" and they DON'T CARE in fact they LOVE IT becuse he will still suffer both personnally and in the campaign. LAWfare at work..

 

Send him a check. He will spend it responsibly.

 

Do tell me what happens if his property is taken from him and sold off in a fire sale and THEN he wins on appeal. Do you believe the Constitution protects the citizens property from improper government seizure and disposition?

 

Of course....
BUT, the seizing of Trump's Property (if he misses the Monday Deadline) would NOT be "Improper"...
End of story...
Next...

 

Again if he wins on appeal after his property has been seized what then? Does he get it back with all his expenses reimbursed? If the state has sold it to someone else do they have to surrender it back to Trump?

BTW the SCOTUS has ruled that state courts who levy such excessive bail or fines are subject to the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS.

So explain how this fine is commensurate with the damages someone incurred.

 

What happens?
Trump should've thought about that before he procrastinated until the last minute.

Let's put it this way:
Trump can AVOID this entire litany of speculative hypotheticals by just coming up with the cash by tomorrow's deadline...
^Problem solved!

 

It has nothing to do with Trump procrastinating the the judge gave him 30 days and are bonding companies somehow REQUIRED to lend him the money? Almost 3/4 of a BILLION dollars for WHAT? Where is the commensurate damage he caused? If he has to firesale his own investments and then wins on appeal who do you undo the harm HE SUFFERS? Where is the States liability for HIS damages?

Eighth Amendment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

 

The 8th does NOT Apply in the CIVIL Case...
Here is something to bring things up to speed:
The 8th Amendment? Totally LMAO!
For everyone's consideration:
An article about Trump being Mocked, Eviscerated, Ridiculed, and Totally OWNED over his ludicrous 8th Amendment claim:
Trump Mocked After Claiming The Constitution Prohibits His $450 Million Fraud Fines
Donald Trump is claiming the 8th Amendment's prohibition on 'excessive fines' makes the fine levied in his New York fraud trial unconstitutional.
https://secondnexus.com/trump-eighth-amendment-fines-engoran

 

Most are saying that it's doubtful he would win an appeal, but some are saying that his fine could be reduced from the appeal. We shall see.

 

BUT HE MIGHT and there are many who say he has a VERY good chance due to violations of the 8th Amendment protections against just such judicial abuse.

So what happens I am sure he is comforted by your we'll just wait and see attitude. He has HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS on the line here. Thousands have jobs on the line here, hundreds if not thousands whose own businesses and homes are on the line and have no idea what is going to happen here. Should the government force you to forfeit your property else you can't appeal? Is that due process? No one defrauded, no tort, no loss to the government, no loss to any bank................just a person who ran for office promise to go after a private citizen and find something for which she could charge them no matter how specious, if it tossed it would effect the campaign and cost him dearly and if successfully she could financially ruin him to yours and others glee.

And the fact is you will be happy that even if he prevails in the upper courts, that this whole sham legal process designed to try and bankrupt him and drain his ability to fund his campaign and to actually engage in campaigning gets tossed. You and others will still have that cheshire cat smile that you still got your vengeance with the financial harm caused to this citizen by this judicial persecution.

I think it a sad reflection on the state of our politics.

 

It will all end up in chaos if this were to happen.

 

ROFLMAO

YES IT DOES and especially here as it is being applied NOT as restitution but a FINE. A PUNISHMENT.

I suggest you not use internet talking heads as legal authorities

Excessive Fines
The Eighth Amendment prohibits the government's imposition of excessive fines. The excessive fines clause is similar to the prohibition against excessive bail. The court must balance the fine versus the nature of the offense. This protection applies to both civil and criminal cases.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/u-s-constitution-eighth-amendment.html#:~:text=The Eighth Amendment prohibits the,both civil and criminal cases.



The Eighth Amendment also protects against excessive civil fines, as noted in Hudson v. United States, 522 U.S. 93 (1997). In addition to monetary payments, the excessive fines clause applies to forfeitures of property, as held in Austin v. United States, 509 U.S. 602 (1993).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/excessive_fines

 

Trump's "bloodbath" comment was about the US auto industry. Libs love to quote stuff out of context. It's all they have.