US had warned Russia ISIS was determined to attack

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    The venue? Where did you read that the information given specified the venue?
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, but supporting Putin's invasion of Ukraine does. Would you be so kind as to remind us all of your stance on that issue?
     
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    What is the appropriate strategy for acting on a warning coming from your enemy? Is it true? Is it disinformation?

    Besides, Russia and the Orthodox Christian world generally have been at war with Islam for several centuries now.
     
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    I didn't. The information given to the Russians didn't specify a venue. What I meant was that the concert should have had visible armed security as a precaution.
     
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    Indeed, trump is a quisling and maga parrots his agenda.
    They attack our institutions, our legal system, women who have been assaulted by trump, and anyone who points out his crimes and lack of character.
     
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    I'd ask the question in reverse.

    What does the US have to gain by inventing a story about a fake attack in the making?

    Nothing.

    Russian civilians are not American targets.
     
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    Inventing a story about a fake attack could divert intelligence resources away from thwarting Ukrainian attacks within Russia, such as the attacks on railway infrastructure. Unless it was very specific and actionable in terms of places, people, etc, it would be disregarded since the general desire of ISIS-K to attack Russia is constant.

    So you know for sure that American's are not providing assistance to the Ukrainians in their targeting of Russian cities? Most likely US intelligence is providing information.
     
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    Once again perpetuating an absolute lie. Wanting Europe to take the lead with Ukraine is not being enamored with Putin or Russia.. It's being logical, as Ukraine will never be able to fully expel Russia from it's Eastern front and is only costing Ukrainian lives, being thrust into a meat grinder, and billions upon billions of dollars.

    I can say with absolutely certainty, the left is the new McCarthy's of the 21st century with the Red scare.

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    Emphatically false! H.R.2 was passed by congress and sent to the Senate on 05/16/2024. Schumer is refusing a vote in the senate because there is a decent chance it would pass and then Biden would then have to sit on it...

    H.R.2 - Secure the Border Act of 2023

    They don't want border security.. They want new voters and an allegiant military arm of the Democrats that are not bound by the constitution.

     
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    Or, Putin had been setting up the invasion (which he had) starting well before the election thinking that if Trump won, he could have taken over Ukraine and Trump wouldn't have stopped him, but Biden won and he eventually decided to do it anyway, thinking Biden may not have opposed him.
    The weakness was in the Whitehouse before Jan 20th, 2021.
    Trump may be more volatile and unpredictable when it comes to reacting to international situations, but I trust Biden a lot more when it comes to integrity.
    Putin was going to invade Ukraine regardless of who won the US presidency.
    It's been a thing for a long time, to test a new president's administration right after they take power.
     
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    Weakness implies a desire to do the right thing and failing, but trump was only interested in pleasing putin and sticking it to Zelensky, so what was in the White House prior to jan 20, 2021 was a quisling intent on malice.
     
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    Balderdash! Trump was the first to send lethal aid to Ukraine!
     
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    Who knows? But apparently they dismissed it altogether.

    Do you think America did the right thing by warning Russia?
     
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    And is now trying to prevent it.
     
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    Again wrong! Wanting NATO nations to step up as this is in their back yard. US citizens should be footing the bulk on a European conflict.

    The US is going on $35 trillion in debt, with another $1.2 trillions spending bill... We are literally becoming the Wiemar Republic with $700 billion in interest payments a day alone!
     
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    Trump already used his influence to kill a bipartisan bill that would have sent military support to Ukraine. Is still trying to stop America sending such support.
     
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    On what days? In what cities?
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    sure why not? Sharing useless information doesn't really harm anyone.
     
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    sure why not? Sharing useless information doesn't really harm anyone.
     
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    Anywhere there were going to be large crowds. This isn’t rocket science!

    Putin dismissed our warning as “provocative”, so nothing was done to protect the public. Not surprising. Who would dare go against Putin?

    In the U.S. a mayor of a city or a governor of a state could order in the police or the National Guard if they were concerned, even if the President dismissed the warning. They could do that without having to worry about being thrown into a Siberian prison for defying the President’s opinion.

    But not in Russia. Putin said it, and so nothing was done.
     
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    From what I've read, they warned it would be in Moscow, no date specifically, and it would be at a large venue with lots of people, but not specifically which one. Odds are that they could have narrowed it down pretty well. There is no guarantee they would have been able to stop it, but at least they had a chance.
    I'm glad that our people had the foresight to give them a warning, shows a glimmer of cooperation that would be good for the future.
    That Putin afterwards blames Ukraine and the US is telling. Putin does not appreciate our concern for their citizens, which tells me he doesn't have enough concern for his own citizens.
    Don't know really how great of a leader he was 20 years ago, but he damn sure isn't now.
     
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    Russia has 12 cities with a population over 1 million. Moscow, St petersburg, novosibirsk, yekaterinburg, nizhniy novgorod, samara, omsk, kazan, etc.... each of these cities have countless areas of "large crowds". How do you protect each one all the time to take advantage of this "warning" you received?
     
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    I can guarantee that we will have at least 100 gang shootings in Chicago this summer, probably closer to 200 gang shootings. Why doesn't the US government stop them from happening now that we've told them it will?
     
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    Oh dont worry. It takes time to organize. Terror is already occurring. Murders already. Squatters. Crime. Drugs. Attacking police. It just hasn’t hit critical mass yet. It will. And you’ll blame whoever is on the WH at the time I’m sure especially if it’s Trump. Because when they prove who did it and they came in the prior 4 yrs im sure you’ll ignore that **** :)
     
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    I don't support Putin or his invasion of Ukraine. I see the Russia/Ukraine conflict as an issue best settled by the UN and Europe and not American tax dollars.
     

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