Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

But what was happening at that time was Milankovitch cycle

 

So where will they hold the winter olympics in 2098 and will they ski down grass or sand?

 

Dont know. We will all be dead. In the short term you keep on being you. I put more money a week ago into a single stock in my entire life into Tesla at $145. Keep it up with the impending doom that we can only stop with Tesla cars and batteries for all.

 

Yeah well, beats the heck out of sending money to Trump!!

 

Btw - here is the explanation of how why and when the last ice age ended
https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ....overall trigger for the,back into the ice age.

But that won’t stop the ones posting “well the climate has changed before without man”

 

That’s all immunity is. Protection. It comes in the form of reduced chance of infection, reduced chance of symptomatic disease if infection occurs, and reduced chance of mortality if infection occurs.

As I mentioned, killed polio vaccines that we use now are not as good at preventing infections as the old modified live version. And measles vaccination does not always prevent infection.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/982... among,outbreaks in highly immune populations.

Influenza vaccines are similar in efficacy to Covid vaccines depending on the year. Sometimes they are nearly completely ineffective. Doesn’t mean they aren’t vaccines or that they don’t confer protection.

Yeh, the current Covid vaccines aren’t nearly as effective as was hoped. And a lot of BS was bandied about by public health officials, politicians, journalists, etc. As you can see, even folks who are all in pro Covid vaxxers here believe things about the vaccines that aren’t true. They have been misled. Most everyone has been misled.

Covid vaccines prevent some infections. They are better at preventing more severe cases after infection. They are far from perfect. They were overhyped. (Like negative effects of global warming are overhyped). Other, more effective Covid mitigations were/are ignored. (Like better climate mitigations are ignored). But they are vaccines and they certainly provide immunity which is protection from specific disease.

Reality/truth seldom lies at the ends of the political spectrum. Both tribes have vested interest in misleading the general public. That’s why we can’t take pundit’s or leader’s word for things when it comes to science. We have to go off actual evidence, not what tribal elders tell us. Both tribe’s leaders will and do actively mislead constituents on public health and climate. If we align ourselves ideologically with one side or the other we will end up denying science at some point because both major ideological political camps in the US (and globally) do deny science.

And the worst part is, tribal elders don’t really care which tribe you espouse—as long as you espouse one or the other. When we are distracted by the tribal squabbling we do not hold the tribal elders accountable. As long as we are fighting over wind power vs fossil fuels, our wealth can be transferred to both industries at the same time. Both industries can buy politicians and those politicians can buy votes from the public as long as we are distracted by our bickering over power sources.

 

When I speak of ice ages I am referring to the scientific term, not colloquial term. Last one ended 130-140,000 years ago

An ice age is a long period of reduction in the temperature of Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers......Earth is currently in the ice age called Quaternary glaciation.[1] Individual pulses of cold climate within an ice age are termed glacial periods (glacials, glaciations, glacial stages, stadials, stades, or colloquially, ice ages), and intermittent warm periods within an ice age are called interglacials or interstadials.[2]

 

No, thats why they took the term OUT of the definition.

 

Dog=small to medium sized omnivorous mammal domesticated by humans to the point they are often referred to as man’s best friend.

Words changed a bit. Meaning changed not at all.

 

That's grim news for those born this century.

 

Yeah, I know. Like a woman is someone who identifies as a woman. Damned post modernist and their rejection of reality.

 

We as in those here on the forum. Im assuming there are no children here.

 

That's an interesting link. Notable that the warming was less than 1 degree C, and took over 1000 years. We have accomplished this in less than 50 years. From the link --->

Ice core records show that warming of the southern hemisphere, starting 13,000 years ago, coincided with rising levels of the heat-trapping gas, carbon dioxide (CO2).

The study is the first to link this spike in CO2 to the impressive shrinking of glaciers in New Zealand.

The scientists estimate that glaciers lost more than half of their extent over a thousand years, and that their creep to higher elevations was a response to the local climate warming as much as 1 degree C.

 

No. Has nothing to do with claiming to be something it’s not. You can’t be a woman by just claiming to be. Can’t be a vaccine by claiming to be. You have to have identifiable metrics like female reproductive structures and chromosomes for women and ability to create an immune response and adaptive immunity that protects from disease for vaccines.

mRNA vaccines are vaccines because they create adaptive immunity and protect from disease. Not because someone replaced the term “immunity” with a definition of immunity.

woman=human adult female with female chromosomes

Dog=small to medium sized omnivorous mammal domesticated by humans to the point they are often referred to as man’s best friend.

Vaccine=something that elicits an immune response creating antibodies and/or memory T cells that protect from a specific disease=something that elicits immunity

It’s not complicated. And has nothing to do with post modernism denial of reality.

 

Or perhaps the Gulf Stream will have collapsed by then.
https://www.livescience.com/planet-...w-99-certain-and-ramifications-will-be-global
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66289494

 

LOL. Europeans complain it’s too hot. Someone comes up with an idea Europe will cool off. People panic.

SMH.

 

"To find definitive proof that climate change is the culprit, scientists will need to tease apart the differences between the natural variability of the ocean systems and the impact made by global heating — a tricky task given the relatively short time that humans have been directly measuring the ocean flows in detail."

I have no doubt that our 21st century "science" will have no problem finding what they will call "definitive proof" that climate change is the culprit.

 

The sensational journalists conflate the Gulf Stream with the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation. They are not the same thing. The Gulf Stream is driven by the Coriolis effect, not CO2. The Gulf Stream can’t collapse as long as the earth rotates.

These people must check under their bed for monsters numerous times a night. Can’t be a fun or healthy way to live being terrified of things that literally can’t happen.

 

Nope.

No it doesn't.

Can you provide a direct, verbatim, in-context quote of what the IPCC says will take "a few hundred thousand years"? AFAIK, the deep ocean circulation pattern mixes things pretty thoroughly in ~1000 years.

No. There is a difference between what is absorbed by sinks and what is merely exchanged for natural CO2 at the ocean surface.

No, because anthropogenic CO2 is neither a single pulse nor a steady input. CO2 emissions continue to increase, so the larger, more recent emissions have had less time to reach isotopic equilibrium with the ocean surface than the smaller, older emissions. CO2 emissions quadrupled between 1940 and 1980, and have nearly doubled since then:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/

Refuted above. All it means is that more recent emissions of anthropogenic CO2 have been much larger than previous ones that have had time to reach isotopic equilibrium.

No. What happens to POC is of no relevance to what happens to dissolved CO2 because the processes are completely different.

I see no evidence for any such conclusion, nor a quantification of "significant." Obviously some fraction of anthropogenic C14 has been incorporated into POC and sunk to the ocean floor, by why would it have to be a significant fraction of what has been exchanged for dissolved CO2 at the surface? We know for a fact that permanent sequestration of CO2 through incorporation into stable carbonate shellfish shells takes eons.

 

Please provide evidence for this claim. All scientifically credible sources I am aware of put the end of the last ice age ~12Kya.

 

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We are CURRENTLY in an ice age that hasnt yet ended. Ice ages have polar ice caps and glaciers. When we come out of the Ice age we do not. There is some debate as to whether the highest altitude glaciers all disappear when they are over.
Wikipedia cites
Ice age - Wikipedia

1. Ehlers, Jürgen; Gibbard, Philip (2011). "Quaternary Glaciation". Encyclopedia of Snow, Ice and Glaciers. Encyclopedia of Earth Sciences Series. pp. 873–882. doi:10.1007/978-90-481-2642-2_423. ISBN 978-90-481-2641-5.

for what I was quoting.
You and your so called scientist are referring to the last
Last Glacial Period - Wikipedia

Individual pulses of cold climate within an ice age are termed glacial periods (glacials, glaciations, glacial stages, stadials, stades, or colloquially, ice ages), and intermittent warm periods within an ice age are called interglacials or interstadials.[2]

Earth's climate alternates between ice ages, and greenhouse periods during which there are no glaciers on the planet.

Your confusion results from
Ice Age (2002 film) - Wikipedia

 

At some point persistent failure erodes credibility.


ALARMIST MESSENGERS/CLAIMS
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April 26, 2024

 

That is a technical, even idiosyncratic usage that is not supported by good dictionaries or other sources:

"An ice age is a period in Earth's history when the ice on the polar caps significantly expands due to a lowering of the Earth's global temperatures. Over the course of millions of years, scientists believe that the Earth has experienced at least five major ice ages."
https://gml.noaa.gov/outreach/info_activities/pdfs/PSA_ice_ages.pdf

"ice age, any geologic period during which thick ice sheets cover vast areas of land."
https://www.britannica.com/science/ice-age-geology

"The most accurate definition would be that ice ages are periods when ice sheets and glaciers expand across the planet, which correspond to significant drops in global temperatures and can last for millions of years."
https://www.universetoday.com/74714/what-is-an-ice-age/#google_vignette

IOW, common usage.

So you can provide no evidence for your claim that the last ice age ended 130-140Kya. Thought not.

No, I've known for more than 60 years that the last ice age ended ~12Kya.

 

Its science you desperately need to avoid. You prefer

col·lo·qui·al
/kəˈlōkwēəl/
adjective

1. (of language) used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary.
   "colloquial and everyday language"

Told ya. Making my point for me.