Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed DID NOT LEAD TO THE CAPTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN!!

Why is that a compelling argument on it's face?

 

Is "SFA" supposed to have some meaning? Care to share it with us?

 

The O.P. is not true.... at least not according to the CIA Chief Leon Panetta.

MSNBC Liberal Approved Link

Deal with it Liberals... you were all dead wrong.

 

That's because the bleeding heart liberals leaked classified info to the media and forced us to stop.

 

so Bush violated his oath to the constitution...and stopped doing something that saved american livse....because liberals whined?

 

How do you he stopped?

I know Obama hasnt stopped...

We killed 14 more the other day.

 

I'm sorry. Can you point out where the Constitution guarantees that terrorists aren't waterboarded? I can't seem to find that Article.

 

try reading what I said again, because that response makes no sense.

 

we killed them with waterboarding?

back to making up things?

 

All that shows is MSNBC is inaccurate. Here's the interview they pulled those quotes from to form the headline.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4288770.../t/transcript-interview-cia-director-panetta/

Brian Williams tried to put words in his mouth, and Panetta's answers don't confirm the headline, as much as you would like to think so.

Torture doesn't work, according to most experts.

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...tails-bin-ladens-location-45.html#post3844571

 

Presidential Oath of Office

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Nowhere in his oath does he pledge to not waterboard, nor is there anything in the Constitution that he pledges to uphold that prohibits it, so I can only assume that you believe, as I do, that he was completely within his authority to order waterboarding, since the Constitution is mute on the subject.

 

You should be put in the comfy chair.

 

Too bad for you that it was good analysts who finally got Bin Laden. It's yet to be shown that criminal torture made that end game, that Bush failed on, possible.

 

Give me a break. Obama used good analysis, and directed a good operation, and Bin Laden became toast. I'm sorry that you and your ilk rue that fact.

 

Why don't you start with reading about treaties we've signed. If it were up to me, I'd use death threats against any right wingnut. But the constitution makes clear that I can't. Didn't we jail a Jap because he ordered water torture? Didn't we claim it was a war crime?

 

That might be an almost coherent thought......if it actually related to what I said.

The comment that you pounced on blindly was regarding why we stopped the practice of waterboarding. So, be so kind as to tell us how the (*)(*)(*)(*) your comment relates to mine.

 

So you're claiming that water torture isn't a war crime, and we never signed a convention not to repeat. I really hope you're not this stupid.

 

So you're in favor of using water torture. The United States prosecuted it as being a war crime. Are you really this unaware?

 

Starting with information gained from EIT and the policy of holding and interrogating them in the CIA prisons and the GITMO.

And you are correct, it was not due to anything criminal.

 

What "Jap", did we jail for waterboarding an unlawful combatant without proper authority and for nothing else?

 

So are your spinning on your dime? Is water torture not an illegal act that we've prosecuted others for? Did water torture, or good analysts allow our president to make better choices and get rid of this scumbag?

 

Are you really this stupid not to know what Japanese military official we prosecuted for using water torture?

 

You're not stupid enough to think that Obama's executive order banning waterboarding is carved in stone law, do you? He, or his replacement can revoke that executive order on a whim at any time. It's as permanently binding as Jello.

Are you that "unaware" of the difference between a POW and a terrorist? The Geneva Convention doesn't apply to terrorists. It doesn apply to POWs.

In fact, the military may still use waterboarding as part of its SERE training. They have refused to answer inquiries about its usage. If it was truly "illegal", they wouldn't be allowed to use it. Period.

 

Using water boarding as a training technique is a bit different than using it for torture. In training, they don't think their lives are on the line. With torture the POW does not know if he is really going to die or not.
Water boarding a captive IS illegal. In training it is voluntary and not illegal.

What you get from torture is not reliable information because the subject will say anything to make it stop including lying just as KSM did.

OBAMA GOT OSAMA

 

Does the Constitution say anything about torture? America recognises international law, the Geneva Conventions and, specifically, the UN Convention Against Torture.

Sorry, just because torture might not be specifically mentioned in the Constitution it doesn't give America-or any other nation-carte blanche to employ torture as a means of extracting information.