Death Penalty

Let's hear 'em!

 

even more funny when the victim is not you or a family member

 

with a bed, 3 meals a day, a workout room ,cable TV and internet access

 

A different time, different mentality, a less advanced technology, incomparable with today.

 

i believe the death penalty exceeds natural govt authority.

 

This is something I can agree with, interesting post.


Now, I am very undecided on the death penalty.
We have to make sure that those who aren't fit to live among us stay locked up, will never ever get a chance to hurt another human being in any way, but I am also considering those who have to keep them away from society. Think about the prison guards, those who have to interact with people so sick, mean, vicious, that they have to be locked in a cage, away from other prisoners even. How do these people keep their sanity? Do these people shed their humanity every day before going to work, from being around the scum of the earth?

The two choices given in the poll are so overly simplistic, too leading to a perceived impression of others, its impossible to answer one way or another.
All death penalty cases are different, all criminals are different, and these cases must be evaluated as such.
We can't sit in judgment of those who are for the death penalty, while seeking mercy for those who don't really deserve much mercy. We must rather let everyone decide for him/herself whether putting another to death will indeed bring closure, justice, restore peace, or if, even after the death of an innocent has been vindicated with the ultimate punishment, one still hangs on to anger, hate, frustration.
So again, don't judge others based on their opinions, don't judge an entire nation, and don't compare what once was with what is now, as in the OP.

 

And with the knowledge that he will never step foot outside again.

 

Without freedom. He isn't free. It is worse than you think.

Imagine yourself being punished to don't go out home during a week. Do you enjoy it? Imagine it without being with your family and a much longer period. it is much worse.

Death isn't so bad. I finnish with my pain. Viewing like that death isn't so bad. But lose my freedom, fuu it is a thing that I fear much more than the death.

 

Imagin if he was innocent and going to die for a crime he did not commit. Where the truth was distorted, and the juriors were idiots, and the prosecutor was corrupt, and the evidence manufactured and the truth hidden.

Without the death penalty, If innocent he would get another chance to live and prove your innocent.

With the death penalty he would have the option of taking taking many innocent lives as he coult to justify his wrongfull sentance before they kill him, or get intouch with an innocent project before they kill him.

In one way a life can be saved, and the other some will be killed.

 

Interesting.

However, I feel justified in judging the moral fiber of the nation it remains the only Western nation that continues to execute criminals. Understand, that yes DNA and Forensic evidence are much more advanced in contemporary criminal investigations, but so are the criminals so to speak. DNA evidence, at most, is invovled in 20% of all murder cases. Any idiot will know not to drop the weapon if there finger prints are on it. Most Murder-Rapists, pedophiles or not, use Condoms.

Think about gangland murders, which tend to account for the majority of inner-city murders. Impossible to extrapolate DNA evidence on a conclusive level.

Yet what has remained stagnant is the State's justification to continue execution. In the OP the State became a lynch mob. Whats to say the same hasnt been the case post George Stinny.

Hurricane Carter anyone?


Now Penal Reform is something that I should have included into the Poll; Maybe a less Polemic choice between [Yes & No]

But I created the Poll, with these specific choices, with the purpose of simplfing, but at the same time opening up the debate for indivuals who wished to explain their respective views.

I have succeeded in this endeavor.

 

I also find this to be simplistic but very elequent in its description of life.

Realize, prisioners on Death Row are treated with much more respect within the boundries of the penal system then lose on Life With Out Parole.

Ask yourself, really. Whats worse?

Living in General Population in San Quenten as a Child Rapist Murder, or in Safe Soulitude elsewhere.

 

THERE ARE SOME CRIMES SO HEINOUS, THAT THEY DESERVE THE DEATH

PENALTY, PERIOD.


1) THEY WILL NEVER COMMIT THEIR HEINOUS CRIMES AGAIN


2) THE FAMILY WILL FEEL BETTER THAT PERPETRATERS HAVE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE..


3)I DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS TO BE SUPPORTING THESE MONSTERS.

IT IS AN OUTRAGE THAT OUR TAX DOLLARS HAVE SUPPORTED PEOPLE SUCH AS CHARLES MANSON FOR SO MANY YEARS...

( he was responsible for the stabbing to death of Sharon Tate,
who was seven month pregnant at the time)

ON TOP OF THAT THERE ARE CRIMINALS WHO ENJOY PRISON, THEY ARE USED TO IT,
SOME ARE HELD IN HIGH ESTEEM, AND MANY HAVE A LOT OF POWER

THEY CAN EASILY GET DRUGS, POT, AND ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT THSE DAYS...

AND WHAT ABOUT THE MAN WHO WAS ABLE TO HAVE FEMALE TYPE BREASTS ENLARGEMENTS
PAID FOR BY ...?.. anyone remember the details of this fiasco of several years ago??
I forgot his name,but he was sure'nuff having a good old time !

 

We should keep the death penalty for certain circumstances.

Broadcast it over PPV. allow people to pay to watch it.

the U.S. will get rid of scum. and we will pay off our debt.

its a win win situation.

 

Are you under the impression that capital punishment doesn't require any "tax dollars"?

 

Apparently he is.

 

truthfully the death penalty in many states cost more then allowing the monsters to live their life out in general population.

between the automatic appeals. then solitary. the extra guards needed. and all the medical crap that goes along with it. I'm not sure why we need to make sure a inmate is healthy just to kill him. only in prison can you be to sick to die.

its much cheaper just to put the monsters in general pop and allow prison justice to happen.

Then if that goes on long enough people will be afraid to commit such crimes.

There was a case in California where a guy admitted to murders he did not commit because he wanted to be placed on death row instead of general pop where he was heading for the murder he did commit.

People know that you have it easier on death row then you do in General Pop

 

Does anyone actually have any studies or statistics that show that the death penalty reduces crime or recidivism? I think they are positively correlated (as in more crime with death penalties) but I can't remember where I saw that and I would imagine that the death penalty is the result of higher crime not the cause (but I can't imagine it would help). There are far more effective strategies for fighting crime than death penalties.

 

Death Penalty is a deterrent. but since our Death Penalty rules are so screwed up and that they are allowed to live in luxury till they die. it does not deter to much.

If we fixed the death penalty and didn't let the scum live better on the inside then my of them do on the outside it would be a much better deterrent.

but that also goes for all of our legal system. It shouldn't be a easier life on the inside then it is on the outside.

They have to work on the outside so they should be working on the inside.

our whole legal system is screwed up.

 

I support the death penalty, but I think it should be used more sparingly by certain states. Texas tends to go overboard with its use, as does my own state.

 

I'm for it. If someone commits such a crime warranting the death penalty...then why should I, the tax payer, pay for this man to be incarcerated?

I like the answers in this poll: "It is Horrible, Unjust and Barbaric". We use a lethal cocktail through an IV, it's like falling asleep, completely painless. You guys do realize that they use to HANG people right? The British would hang and display the dead corpses in the town square back in medieval days lol. There is nothing Horrible, Unjust or Barbaric about it lol.

 

I guess you are unaware of those botched executions, then.

 

Who do you think pays for the death penalty, and how much do you think it costs in the end?

Incorrect: it epitomises horrible, unjust, barbaric behaviour.

 

For me the source of hate stems from an economy that is in the tank because the innocent responsible law abiding taxpayers are being forced to clothe, shelter and feed some of the most vile humans on the planet. Mostly rape, murder, maybe molesters, the worst offenders.

Pull the plug on them. If you believe in reincarnation it gives them a fresh start. We don't clutter up the jails and it keeps costs low. Right now the costs for execution are way too high. Either they need to find cheaper drugs or go back to the rope. Rope is cheap. Hell, we can get rope from china for cheaper than we can get it local haha.

 

Botched executions? I still don't have empathy for those who deserve the penalty. They did the crime, the consequences we're their own making.

Not nearly as much as in incarceration, feeding a man everyday, etc. I didn't say it didn't cost money.

Sure if we ignore every other execution in history. Today's death penalty is like falling asleep, please, to be honest that's almost too easy a way out.

Point: You might, but I don't have sympathy for those who committed crimes justifying the death penalty. Their undoing is their own fault, they did the crime, and this is their consequence. They should have considered all of the consequences before they made that action. Instead of fighting us who still support the penalty...why don't you go after those who still make the penalty necessary...the criminals themselves.

 

"But recent research shows that it's actually less expensive to incarcerate someone for life than it is to execute them."

See full article from DailyFinance: http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03...re-than-life-in-prison/?icid=sphere_copyright

"The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases."

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

"Financial costs to taxpayers of capital punishment is several times that of keeping someone in prison for life."

http://www.balancedpolitics.org/death_penalty.htm

We don't live in history.

However, we learn from history: capital punishment is barbaric.