Death Penalty

So if we had your way, we'd still be doing trial by ordeal. lol bolling criminals alive would be conducive to their punishment?

I didnt ask if the practice of lethal injection is barabaric but rather, the fact that it is still performed in the country. I mean, people believed electric shock was a more "humaine" form of execution in comparision to hanging or firing squad but it took George Stinny 4 minutes to die.

Sounds pretty Horrific to me.

 

So because financial reasons you want to kill a bunch of human beings. Hmm, didnt the Nazi's do something like that with the Jews....

 

That's an idiotic conclusion! They should be executed because they deserve it. It should be fair and swift within a maximum of three years from conviction. It will thus be a deterrant and provide justice.

Spare me the sniveling bleeding heart liberals like you!

 

Prison totaly sucks man. You know that right? I'd rather die than be in prison.

 

What if the person convicted turns out to be innocent? How would you feel then?

 

How effective is it as a deterrent? I have seen little evidence to suggest it is, in fact I think I have seen more to say it isn't but nothing conclusive.

 

What if the person you inject turns out to be innocent? Juries make mistakes.

 

Great, we're marginally less barbaric than the best! Good job! That doesn't mean we need to stop getting less barbaric. We should continue to progress as a society... What if they didn't actually commit the crime?

 

then he would have a painless death instead of being in general pop where he would be sexually assaulted, stabbed and who knows what else.

see the death penalty is a easy way out for some people. specially since they get cozy cells to themselves for the next 25 plus years

 

That's a very cynical view. So you think it's ok to kill innocent people? That doesn't make any sense... You can let an innocent man out of prison, you can't bring him back from the dead.

 

actually I was just showing how it would be more painless to die then to be executed.

I am for the death penalty but only in certain cases. I think many of the cases we use it for are not warranted.

But I'm not against it completely either.

 

Ok. But do you admit that there is always a chance that an innocent person would be sentenced to death?

 

with how the legal system is now yes there is a chance. but like I said I don't agree with the death penalty in every case that is eligible for it.

I think it should only be for the most serious of crimes and where their is no doubt what so ever.

 

We have not utilized the death penalty properly for the past 100 years either. Let a guy lay around on death row for 25 years, and it's simply not as strong a deterrancy as a three year limit for appeals.

 

Ok. I can respect that point of view.

 

I can't speak for the person you addressed that to, but I certainly can admit that there is always a chance that an innocent person would be sentenced to death.

Nothing, anywhere, on the entire planet or the universe for that matter, is perfect.

Striving for perfection is one thing. Excluding common sense, and rational solutions to scenarios, with a mindset that it all must be perfect, or nothing, doesn't work.

 

That's all well and good when dealing with things that don't end in the killing of innocent people in cold blood.

 

No, it doesn't. Not in my opion anyways, since I understand that it is incredibly foolish, to throw out the baby with the bath water as they used to say. Or, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

There are other stats I imagine, with other schools of thoughts. As one being from a police family, many of the officers I know and knew, would often talk about how, well....he may have been innocent of that particular rape (as an example), but for sure he did 5 others, so justice is being served.

Nothing is black and white, and as well, nothing is perfect. There will be mistakes made, but the system cannot be ground into monumental, unsustainable costs, by endless pandering to impossible ideolistic perfection.

To amplify the point, be honest, and tell me how you would feel, if a man with a record, of 8 counts of rape, 3 convictions...got off on a rape charge of your daughter, back in 1987, because of a technicality. Everyone knew he did it, just a technicallity.

Years later, you read the news. 2007 and you hear, he is now being let out after serving 20 yrs of a life sentence for a rape/murder, proving DNA wise it wasn't him.

Honestly, I think you would feel it was justice, despite him being innocent of that rape/murder, despite imperfect mistakes being made in the cases.

 

I don't know how I would feel to be honest. Either way it is irrelevant. The punishment is not decided by what the victims family wants. If someone I loved died I would want the whole world to die. Of course that can't happen. That's just not how our justice system works! Innocent people are let go. Wether or not your cop family think they deserve it anyway. That's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) man and you know it.. Human life is a lot more valuable to me than revenge.

 

There are only so many Richard Kimballs in the system. I think it is an enormous waste of monies and resources, from all areas of law and justice in society, top to bottom, parole officer to the judicial branch of the government.

But, to each their own. It's technically your dime being spent, and everyone else's, and when they get sick enough of it, they will do something about via the government.

I remember years ago as a young man, when Canada put Capital Punishment out there. They had a referendum I believe, and despite over whelming poplular support of the death penalty, I watched a Member of Parliment get on TV, and say, basically " Despite what Canadians said...we voted against it, because we can't vote against our conscience"

I learned a lesson that day, for sure, about politicians, even as a young man.

 

Isn't there also a chance that a guilty person could be wrongfully acquitted or (even more likely) wrongfully allowed to plea bargain to a lesser charge?

Doesn't the justice system have just as much blood on its hands when it fails to execute a dangerous criminal, and that criminal goes on to kill or maim another human being?

 

Yes, it does.

 

If that bunch of human beings raped and killed your mother you would be ok with housing them, feeding them, and clothing them for the remainder of their life?

No, the nazis killed innocent people because they didn't agree with the religion they chose to practice. There is a big difference.

 

A woman in Chicago was brutally murdered by a man who had been released from prison after killing a woman and her three-year old daughter.

And you found a case almost a hundred years old to get upset about. Check out Karl Panzram. He killed, by his admission, around 80 people.

And, a man who was sent to prison from our city killed two men in prison. Courtesy of GlobalHumanism.

I wonder where GlobalHumanism got his hate for the victims.

 

How is justice being served? If you take a life, then you are just as guilty as those who killed someone else.

If someone commits murder and if found guilty, then you cage him/her, much like you would dog. Its amazing to me that many people in this country will go to whatever means to save the life of an unborn human, but once its born, they'll kill the human if they think they have reason to.