A Study of Jewish Identity Politics.

Borat is doing a fantastic job of proving that some of Zionism is heavily anti-Semite. Nobody hates Jews and Israel more than the common Zionist forum activist, as demonstrated. Just look at how horribly disgusted some forum Zionist are when the lives of innocent Jews are saved by the good intentions of some people.

 

That is very interesting stuff, Marlowe. Hitler's nationalist predecessors made up a 'race' called 'the Jews' and small group of the people so described accepted the label and began to look for their own Reich, whereas most had more sense. The abominations that occured in Germany and German-occupied Europe during and after the fall of the Third Reich gave their nonsense a brief appearance of sense (and killed off oh so may of their opponents), and but for the Fuhrer's defence of capitalism a Jewish forebear would now be as interesting/boring as a Huguenot one. There is a desperate need for the people caught in this racist dead-end - people like Borat - to be rescued from it, and it is very pleasing to see publications making it past the bully-machine that will help them come home to humanity.

 

Boomp. (wink)

 

Oh let's talk about Texas identity politics or Baptist identity politics...........

 

Just to reiterate, Zionism is an ugly fascist ideology that is anti-jew...Zionists collaborated with the Nazis during WW2:

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/social/holocaust/holocaust_violence_03.php

 

Is this how you express your anti-zionism? you really do fit the profile of a typical jew hater attempting to hide his true hatred behind political abhorance.

Perhaps its time to fess up and declare yourself once and for all.

 

I understand how you might feel judge would need help with that one.

 

Oh really. An advantage to suffer progroms. An advantage to be the original residents of ghettos. An advantage to be scorned, mocked, beaten, robbed, murdered with virtual impunity. An advantage to be lied about, to be objects of hatred fomented from the pulpits of Europe. All that suffering is an advantage.

Yes, things have changed in the last 60 years. Jews have a nation. contrary to some beliefs, it wasn't given to them. Israel was created by the sword. And jews will never again passively march to their deaths. that some view this as a real tragedy is rather telling.

 

I find looney tunes amusing sometimes, but mostly it just seems so repetative but mostly it just seems so repetative but mostly it just seems so repetative.

 

I'll comment.

Gilad is a way way way better musician than he is a political and cultural commentator. His extreme bias is evident.

Like most professed "ultimate self hating jew", he can speak of jewish culture with some authority thus providing a false patina of validity to his more outre opinions.

The "holocaust religion" angle is not totally unjustified. It is most definitely a sledgehammer used by many jews/zionists/Israelis. Personally, the blood price paid to acquire that tool was exhorbitant in the extreme. I guess many people (especially the anti-semites of the world) resent the fact that they possess a weapon whose power cannot be denied and wield it with virtual impunity.

 

You're ofcourse fully entitled to your view and comments.

However that "self hateing Jews " BS is nothing more than BS - It dont work . Why the fek dont we ever hears of a "self-hating Christian/Muslim/Hindus or Budhists - nore a Self-Hateing American /Frenchman/English/German or Rastafian.

Why is it always a SELF HATING fikkin JEW ?

Also - Israel's "weapon " DO NOT frighten anyone, Palistinians have shown that they dont care POO about Israel's "weapon".

Your attitude seem to support Iran's contention to aquire similar "weapon " ASAP to balance power in that region.


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Nonsense, we hear all the time about radical anti-american "blame america first" americans, we hear about americans/brits/Norwegians who carry out terror attacks against americans, who join Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc...

These people even though americans themselves don't represent real America, american values or views, nor "self-hating" jews have a lock on the correct views on Israel and Jews and their personal opinions are as biased and as baseless as the opinions of the jihad Johnnies of the world on America and Americans.

 

The expression of extreme bias on the one hand, and comments indicative of truth on the other, are not necessarily mutually incompatible.

 

Gilad describes himself as the ultimate self hating jew. I think its as stupid a moniker as you do.

Ah, so on the one hand you decry jews using the holocaust for insidious purposes and justification for whatever, but you don't recognize it as a weapon? Interesting, if it isn't a weapon then it really isn't worth you or gilad or finklestien or anyone else jumping up and down about it now is it?

You always want to stretch a comment beyond recognition to make some spurious point. You are now attempting to equate a intangible "weapon" with an atomic bomb. Yep keep it loose.

 

I know. did you read my original response.

 

The only help that I need is an explanation as to why you do not seem to oppose racist generalizations against entire groups of people. I need help understanding why some seem to believe that Israel benefits from such. Why are so many supporters of Israel so heavily supportive of the racism which led to the Holocaust?

 

The OP clearly endorses holocaust denial and fear of Jews (although he/she seems to say 'not all' a couple times after saying a bunch of BS based in hatred as closet bigots do pathetically, while using slurs like 'shylock'), and many anti-zionists (along with modern neo-zionism promoted by Netanyahu, saying this as a Jew) give these people credibility because they have highly un-nuanced thinking. Most of these people are either from the US or the Europe, and I'm not sure who said "People in the US don't understand what it's like to be in Israel and People in Israel don't know what it's like to be in the US" or something along the lines of that, but it's very interesting here.

Since most people have black and white views of good and evil, they have to have see conflicts as one side being a clear aggressor and one being saint like, and many of these people when it comes to Israel, tend to naturally lean toward Israel as the evil side as the general populace has showed fear and favored Jews as a target for thousands of years, a good amount due to the level of education and general social mobility our culture has had during those times. Just, people are now learning to sugar-coat their feelings after the horrors of the holocaust, and use pseudo-intellectual psycho babble to justify their views. Simply put, Israel in many ways has a fear of their neighbors but this is semi-justified as the ceasing of ALL of Israel is in Hamas' charter, Ahmdinejad publicly stated his support for Israel's destruction (the attempts for people on the peacenik side to defend him had me in stitches) and his country has helped smuggle weapons using 'aid ships.' Israel gets shelled on a daily basis while it's Western allies face attacks on their own soil a few times every half century, and many ME countries don't have true hatred for Israel but subsequently use Israel as a whipping post for their problems since their uneducated populaces could revolt any day without manipulation, making ME peace hopeless when the people on the other side do not understand the situation. There will be no ME peace until some sort of evolutionary anomoly allows for a massive revolution of social and economic liberalism and religiously neutral governments (the fact is, Christianity used to be just as openly violent and tyrannical a force as Islam, but the American Revolution let us free of the chains of the Anglican Church and secularism spread from here to Western Europe over a couple centuries.)

AIPAC does not have a role in the US government more than any other organization that fights for the rights of a minority (whether it be GLAAD or NAACP), simple as that...I can't get sleep and a lack of nuance when it comes to the Israel-Palestinian conflict gets me fuming, sorry if this is a rant. In the few minutes I get to do this, I think pretty deeply.

 

This could be written a little bit differently to better reflect the reality of the given situation. How can Israel not fear its neighbors given that the Likud charter seeks the destruction of the nation of Palestine? The unconditional need for Israel to destroy the nation of Palestine is obviously a valid reason for Israel to fear the result of its actions. Israel's fear is thus a self-created condition designed to achieve a desired goal written in many Israeli political party charters. The finger pointing at Hamas is just lipstick smeared to fool the ignorant American. Hamas is more of a threat to itself than anyone else, but serves as a valuable tool for the Likudnik propaganda machine:

Likud Charter
The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel... The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.
http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm

 

I am encouraged by the fact that you are 16 and so reasonable. It gives me hope that when all the troublemakers kick the bucket, young people like you will take the reigns.

 

Hitler doubless had the same hope. Forget it: colonialism kills, and decent people fight it, always.

 

Figures, Hitler had to make an appearance here. You forget all the good that has been done by others. In any even tehduder did not appear to me to be calling for colonialism. Maybe your interpretation?

 

Anyone who supports the racists occupying Palestine is either half-witted, in American pay or a racist/colonialist crank. Which are you?

 

It is against the rules to resort to personal insults on the forum. Surely you have something of substance to add to the young person's analysis, which made excellent sense to me, despite me not being paid to hold such opinion. Sure wish I were though.
PS: aren't Palestinians and jews of the same race?

 

Where's the personal insult? Do you support the colonists then? Why? - they are extremely evil. And there is only one race, human - racists are those who think otherwise, obviously.

 

Is it not a personal insult to call a poster half-witted, a person with a paid agenda or a "racist/colonialist crank"? If you figure there is only one race, why allege someone who is of another opinion, to be a racist? That sounds rather intolerant to me. Do you feel any desire to address the substance of the post by tehduder? Or any post at all?Or do you prefer to claim half-witted as a comeback?