A ********** controlled country

Contributions? How about disgraces? Alexander Hamilton's contributions to the US are evident in the fiat money system we currently "enjoy" and the Federal Reserve system that is smothering the world economy.His signature is neither on the DOI or the Constitution.

John Adams signed the Alien and Sedition Acts and has no place as a founder.

Tyranny is government and government is tyranny.

 

I consider the contributions of all the founding fathers to be important to developing the nation we live in today. On a different note, Hamilton did not sign the Declaration of Independence, but did sign the United States Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_delegates_to_the_Continental_Congress

Please scroll down to the chart. On the other hand, Thomas Jefferson signed the Declaration of Independence, but didn't sign the United States Constitution.

You are entitled to your opinions on the legitimacy of Alexander Hamilton and John Adams as founding fathers, but not the facts in regards to what documents they signed.

 

My bad on the Constitution signature.

Jefferson was Ambassador to France at the time of the Constitutional Convention and corresponded his thoughts to James Madison.

 

Furthermore, John Adams was the Minister to Britain at the time of the Constitutional Convention.

 

Joe Kennedy was Ambassador to Britain during WWII... he was a Nazi supporter. So much for the left.

 

you are funny, Montoya!

You are making this stuff up and you know it!

Check this out.

Allow me to clarify for Montoya's sake what the Tea Party Movement is really all about.

WHAT THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT IS NOT

* It is not an attack on Barack Obama, his religion or his early childhood. He just happened to be the President in power when the dam burst and our national economy tanked.

* It is not an attack against the Democratic Party.

* It is not a movement in support of the Republican Party.

WHAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT?

* It is a protest against the way government is run; whether the Republicans are in power, or the Democrats are in power. It is a protest against government being run by either the extreme right or the extreme left members of the political spectrum.

* The members of the Tea Party Movement did not all come from one political party. The members are made up, ideally in equal parts, of Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Moderates and Independents.

WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT ARE OPPOSED TO

* Against politicians whose main role in life is getting elected and forever re-elected.

* Against politicians ignoring the wishes of their constituents and voting instead per the instructions of their party leaders.

* Against politicians who vote for bills, without reading or understanding them.

* Against SWEETHEART deals with lobbyists, unions, big corporations, and major contributors.

* Against politicians who accept “favors”; meals, event tickets, travel, lodging, vacations, etc. from registered lobbyists.

* Against politicians who feel that it is beneath them to respond to their constituent’s requests, meetings, telephone calls, etc.

* Against mortgaging the financial future of our children, our grandchildren, and their children.

* Against closed door deals by the political power brokers.

* Against earmarks (congressional pork).

* Against the lack of transparency and clarity of proposed legislation.

* Against politicians who take expensive junkets, at taxpayer expense, for no apparent or justifiable reason.

* Against politicians who are paid $ 175,000 per year, plus an un taxable $93,000 petty cash fund, to only work 3 days a week when Congress is in session, but who seldom bother to make an appearance during any of these three days.

* Against political payoffs to politicians in order to “buy their vote".

* Against politicians who make speeches running down and apologizing for our country and our country's legal and congressionally-sanctioned foreign policies.

* Against politicians who have a large staff, paid for by tax payer funds, whose jobs are totally dependent upon satisfying the desires of the elected officials they work for, rather than their constituents.

* Against politicians who believe they know better than we do with regard to how we rear our children and manage our lives.

* Other important and similarly salient features.

WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT ARE FOR

* Politicians who believe that our government should be a government "of the people, by the people and for the people".

* Politicians who are concerned with policies and laws that are best for our country, rather than what’s best for their political future.

* Politicians who believe and follow the principles laid down by The
Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

* Fiscal responsibility – Spending only the money that is available to Congress (PAYGO) and not constantly and forever borrowing against the future.

* Eliminating high cost “perks” that are only available to elected officials and their staffs.

* Establishing a special fund for FICA contributions and not transferring Social Security receipts into the General Fund, which Congress immediately spends.

* Elimination of earmarks – congressional pork.

* Transparency of all proposed legislation – require that the complete text of all proposed legislation be posted on the Internet for constituents to see and read for a minimum of 72 hours prior to allowing that legislation to be voted upon.

* Other important and similarly salient features; but you get the general idea!

 

Or because we needed a break from the con men of this country, a nice long break of 8 years, +?

Then why are so many cons still running away from them like hell there is one, or why they're rated favorably so low, like below terrorists?

Check out the $ trail, it leads straight to the likes of the horrible Koch bros. and DeVos's, hardcore extremist cons with nothing good for America.

You've been doing it forever, and you're starting from the level of China. Happy digging til you reach anywhere near the rest of us.

Good, I'm tiring of FEARING them...

And your credibility on this thread, bye.

 

I suspect this was made up out of whole cloth and bears no connection whatsoever with reality.

 

Pot, meet kettle!

 

Obama has utterly destroyed America and killed Off millions of jobs and your worried about the tea party and gays?

LOL WTF!!!!!!


Who the he'll cares about queers man, America needs jobs

 

Again, looney left liberals have no concept of what is even taking place. They ramble about racism and gays, and TEA Partiers as crazies etc...and that is just old news. Stale.

TEA Partiers are working the precincts, and getting on School Boards. They have shifted, with an incredible determination, well beyond "rallying". They are doing the meat and potatoes now, of getting back their country. "Thinking locally, and acting nationally".

Just watched the top man, Matt Kibbe from Freedomworks.org talk about it, which is the organizing arm of the TEA Parties. It so not about Rs and Ds. He said " You have to beat the Republicans before you can beat the Democrats".

Seriously, the progressives do not even understand the level of change that is going on (or maybe they do, lol) but it is remarkable to see it happening in America.

 

The tea party will be gone in 2012...What little they have done has already hurt us alot.

 

Give me a ********** country over the totalitarian pinko Commie Marxist one we are currently under anyday.

 

This summarizes the entire "right wing" ideology. I will now explain exactly why "right winger" crap must cease.

Posts such as Libhater's below that I respond to, also tend to strengthen my idea that these people are not in support of "liberty". They're merely in support of being allowed to participate in runaway greed without any consequences or interference.

Total idiocy. No need for any explanation.

Why is it that so many people who claim to be in support of "liberty" are, on some issues, totally against it??

You know what's weird? That people who have a weird sense of "liberty" such as that of "right wingers" are the same ones who tend to believe in magical sky fairies such as "God".

It's not possible for everyone to become that rich. This is yet another ridiculous assumption that "right wingers" often make-that resources are infinite. They're not. They're not only finite, but they're so scarce that most people will never be exceedingly "rich" until we start controlling overpopulation, but that will never happen.

 

So we're commie and Marxist because we don't let old people die as soon as you'd like with programs such as social security and medicare?

 

Wait. Is that a real goal?

 

Look up Perry..That is on his list on authoritarian policies.

 

Gosh, Montoya, does the Tea Party have that much power? Control the country???

Who knew?

 

You're disgusting.

Would you compromise with the slavers in the 1800's?

 

Only if one chooses to measure wealth in relative rather than absolute terms.

Resources are as infinite as the human mind. Resources will be continually generated as long as we explore the ever expanding frontier of ignorance. A resource is anything that you can find a use for, so all we have to do is find a use for more stuff, and more uses for the stuff we already have a use for.

 

Someone that gets it, +rep

 

Absolute terms makes more sense, yes. But people like that use up so much land and energy and fuel etc. etc. etc. that it'd be impossible for everyone to be that materially wealthy, given today's global population.

Physical things of that sort are limited due to limited energy and mass (or should I say "mass-energy") that exists in this universe. The sun provides constant new energy, but that just means that this planet can keep it's current level of order, rather than deteriorate quickly. It doesn't mean that energy is "infinite" on Earth.

When it comes to anything physical, there's two kinds: 1. objects and 2. changes. Objects (most of them) have mass, and changes are dependent entirely on energy. With limited possible physical interactions, our physical bodies, brains, and planet which we depend on to survive, are always limited.

 

Land is most certainly not a problem, and fuel does not have to be.

First of all, laws like the conservation of energy are generalizations of the observations we have made. The universe is a big place, and it is quite possible that the laws of physics as we currently understand them might not hold in other places. Secondly, what we have here on Earth is not a lack of matter or a lack of energy. What we lack are usable products, and those are created by ingenuity. We need to ephemeralize.

What limited possible interactions? We have free will! More importantly, those limited interactions can have potentially unlimited consequences.

 

Fuel wouldn't cost as much as it does now if there were less people using it...and if it were easily renewable (we depend on nonrenewable fuels for the most part currently). If people could use tap water and get 50 mpg in their cars, water would increase in price, but it would never get to the same prices as anything unrenewable.

And...the prices wouldn't increase quickly, like nonrenewables.

The chances, and importance, of that, are too small to consider. If there were other places in the universe that followed "better" laws that could suit us better, that wouldn't matter now because we can't get there now.

We certainly have a lack of order.

That's what this is all about: order. You have to use energy, so that you can form things made of matter, into certain forms, in order for them to be..in certain forms; so that they can be in a certain state of..order.

Order, due to the law of entropy, always decreases over time without any added energy. Energy is always conserved, so in a closed system (such as our solar system), order always decreases.

 

Since the **********s lack the rational and intelligent thought and are incapable of looking to the future and working with intelligent compromise, they have caused the Republican party to do the same. Obama and the democrats have reached into the middle many times, but because of the FEAR of the tea party, the republicans are unable to seek an intelligent answer to Americas problems. I believe we should get rid of the cowards in all parties and replace them with people willing to seek viable answers.