Why follow God and what makes it moral?

Not over men... but over the actions of men.... "things"; men are not 'things'.

From the ASV:
1Cr 2:14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man.
1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

From the KJV:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cr 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

Here's the next part.

1 Corinthians 3
The Church and Its Leaders
1 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?

Does that describe all of us on here pretty well?
Perhaps you're not ready.
Just a thought.
The exhibiting of the Fruits of the Spirit indicate one that is ready. None of us exhibit them. No, not one.

 

Yes! That describes you very well, if in fact you were in Christ. You have stated previously that you no longer believe the things that you were preaching. You also described those 'brothers and sisters' sitting in the pews as enemies (using me as an example of one sitting in the pews when you know full well that I never attended any church wherein you were a pastor).

You seem to be wanting now to jump all across the Bible looking for a way to continue your lame assault against me. So, let us continue that jumping across the scripture and move on to
"Hbr 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hbr 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit. "

Do you have comprehension of the above passage of scripture?

Are you ready to move forward? With your action (abandoning your assignment or usurpation of a pastor) of abandoning the very basic principles of Christ I would judge by those actions of yours that you do not comprehend and that you are not ready to move forward.

 

I don't think you are ready for milk, let alone meat.
Good luck to you. I hope your faith someday brings you peace and joy.

 

My peace is completed everyday. As for what you, the traitor and quitter, thinks... pffffft. It means nothing.

 

Agreed. Don't talk to me. That's what I'd recommend.

 

As for me, I am waiting for the day the Hebrews decide that Christians are the new Moabites (ya know, the folks from Jericho)hehehehehe. Ah, the great parts of the OT, such love, and understanding.

 

The bible tells the tale of a violent, hateful, bigoted, prejudiced, primitive tribe from the middle east. It tells of their hateful and bigoted beliefs, of their genocides of many people of the slavery of other people, of how they are like all humans, mean, selfish, greedy, bigoted, and prideful. The only meaningful moral values found in it are anecdotal tales of what NOT to do.

 

What garbage,the bible is not a book of mysteries, it IS a tale of a primitive mid-eastern tribe, of their beliefs, myths, superstitions and some of their history. it tells of bigoted, hateful murderous people with no concern for anyone but their own tribe. there are no "mysteries" no wonderful revelations, just primitive myth and superstition. The repeated attempts of "christians" to try and force others to believe there is some unknown power in the bible is ludicrous.

 

Every version in English says HATE, not a one says LOVE LESS. So, why should I think that YOU or BB has any more knowledge of what was originally meant than hundreds of expert translators? Or, is it just that it invalidates your mistaken understanding of the bible, you cannot make it fit with what YOU think the bible means, so you refuse to accept what it really means and invent meanings to take the place of what is actually there.

 

Oh yes, the Jews were SO much worse than the Assyrians, Egyptians, and Romans.

And of course, the New Testament, as always, is simply ignored by atheists - who have read two different versions of the Bible.

The ten commadnments, BTW, are hardly genocidal constructs. And you think THOSE are worse than, for example, the Hammurabic code?

Do atheists have no shame?

 

Well Jesus supposedly said that you have hate your family to follow him, hmm, does that mean that you have to do worse than hate people that are not related to you, what can you fell towards those that you don't know, ahhhhhhh, murderous hatred, now I see.
I actually see little difference in the words of JESUS, who said he did NOT come to change anything in the OT. He was a Jew, he believed in the OT, he did NOT disagree with it in any major way. In fact the only thing he disagreed with it about was in the laws of how Hebrews treated Hebrews, he never made any mention of how Hebrews in the ot treated non-Hebrews. And, If the supposed Christ believed the genocide and hate in the OT was good, then he was no better than the killers in the OT.

 

That is the second time you have made that statement in ignorance.

Here is what Jesus states:

“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.” (Matthew 10:26-40)

Yep, it acknowlegdes, as atheists prove every day, that people will hate you for choosing Jesus.

There is nothing in there that says you have to hate your family, and only the truely ignorant would take that to mean you have to hate your family. Tow continue to say it even AFTER one is corrected?

Well, that is the embrace of DELIBERATE ignorance. What else should we expect from atheists?

Be nice to see you, BB, who knows, correct this BS.

 

I don't hate people just for making mistakes.

 

I do not count anyone as an enemy, and I do not hate anyone. Nor do I hand out my love like it was a gift in a McDonald's Happy Meal. I know, because there is no god, that love is a special thing for special people and that hate is for bigoted, prejudiced and spiteful beings.
I attempt to treat all with respect, when they earn respect. But, respect is like love and given only when earned.

I do not find giving love or respect to those that deserve it, to be hard, challenging, or even a task. I find it a pleasure.

 

Number 1 - prove its a mistake.

Number 2 - yes you do.

 

I'm not contradicting the expert translators, I'm trying to make you understand how the ancients used the word 'Hate' many times in the Bible.It's called extreme and hyperbolic language..

i.e Genesis 29:30-1:

"And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren."

"hated" is clearly used synonymously with one who is loved less . ..

I don't do that. I very much appreciated an atheist skeptic that made this same accusation awhile back, but in his case he was right, and to this day I am grateful to him because it led me to a much clearer picture of my faith.

 

There are perhaps 3 million people in the world who would believe as you do (hold the same perception), but does that make them correct perceptions?

 

What are the requisites in your set of standards that would justify love toward that person? What must that person do or perform to cause him/her to be embraced by your 'earned love'?

 

Whether you count someone as an enemy or live in a perfect world does not invalidate that enemies exist in this world and that many people have them.Christian and non-Christian.

 

A parent's love for a child is not only given when it is earned. Are they in error?

 

Actually there are at least 4 billion in the world that accept the bible for what it is, instead of believing it is the edict of some god. Not sure where in the world you came up with the imaginary number of 3 million. The number 4 billion comes from the number of humans that are NOT Christians. They do not have to believe that the bible is some religious stuff,they know it for a fine historical research item, nothing more.

By the way, it is a fact, not a perception. The bible IS a recording of the beliefs, myths, superstitions and a bit of the history of an ancient and quite violent, minor mid-east tribe.

 

The things that earn my love are personal and private. Just as love is personal and private, my reasons for it are MINE.

 

You are simply wrong. There may be people willing to rob, murder and even worse to me, but they are not my enemies. I personally care about nothing but their actions, if they chose to believe they are my enemy, that is up to them. My only concern for them is when and if their actions begin to affect me. At that time, I will take whatever action is needed to remedy the situation or not. But, at no time will they be my enemy, they may become a TARGET of my action, that is all. I will not hate them, just as I never hated the NVA or VietCong in Nam. They were not my enemy, they were just soldiers with a job to do.

 

Be the simple act of being born, my children earned my love. Several of them lost that love through their own actions in later years. As I said, my love is earned and because of that it can also be lost.