That's quite a rediculous statement. You have no clue whether an abortion has the potential to save a life. You might as well say every time a woman is locked in her home it has the potential to save a life (because going outside, she could be hit by a bus etc). You could equally say anytime anybodydoes anything, it could potentially save a life. Bizarre. A more correct statement would be that every abortion has the potential to take the woman's life. Medical procedures have complications. The complications from a hospital admission or an invasive procedure far outweight the complications from childbirth.
Abortion is safer for a woman than childbirth. http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_research/publications/downloads/about_abortion/safety_of_abortion.pdf Death occurs in 0.0006% of all legal surgical abortions (one in 160,000 cases). These rare deaths are usually the result of such things as adverse reactions to anesthesia, embolism, infection, or uncontrollable bleeding.9 In comparison, a woman's risk of death during pregnancy and childbirth is ten times greater.
The study they cite to relate the risks of abortions is decieving. It firstly selects the most favorable population, those earliest in pregnancy and implies this number generally. It completely avoids the risks of hospital admissions apart from those directly related to the procedure. It also includes every form of death of a pregnant woman, regardless of whether its related to the pregnancy itself, as maternal mortality. It is extremely hard to determine death rates from abortions. This is because, according to other studies, deaths and complications from abortions are rarely reported. If a women dies after childbirth or has a problem, there is virtually a 100% capture rate, as it occurs in hospital. After abortions women go home (of in the case of chemical abortions, never are admitted), and further complications are not classified as related to the abortion or simply not reported. http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/limitations_of_pas_studies.asp
Reardon? Please! If it is so hard to determine death rates from abortions, you should stop claiming there are so many because YOU don't know. We do know that deaths from abortion have been lessened by legalization. Maternal death rates plummeted after legalization. http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97may/abortion.htm The year after abortion was legalized in New York State, the maternal-mortality rate there dropped by 45 percent -- one reason why legalization can be seen as "a public-health triumph"
I haven't claimed there are so many. I haven't claimed abortion is more dangerous legal than illegal either. Please respond to things I have actually said. This news article does not cite its '45%' source.
You did claim that abortion was more dangerous than childbirth, you were wrong. http://www.womenscenter.com/pdfs/Abortion_In_America.pdf The fact that whether abortion is legal or illegal, the number of abortions will be the same. The difference is the decrease in maternal mortality. The year after abortion was legalized in New York State, the maternal-mortality rate there dropped by 45-percent-one reason why legalization can be seen as a public health triumph. To overturn Roe v Wade and leave it up to the States to decriminalize abortion, will allow thousands of well-off women to start traveling to obtain safe abortions while the poor women will continue to risk death in their home states where abortion is a crime. Roe v Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have been done for thousands of years. They will continue to be so. What Roe did was to allow access to safe abortion for all women, in all walks of life. Most of the 15000 maternal deaths a year from botched abortions
It's all women's fault. None of the fault lies with men who spread their seed around willy nilly and brag about their many sexual exploits...
I don't hate men. But i do have contempt for liberal men. GROW A SPINE WILL YOU!! Liberal men support abortion because they don't want to be saddled with an accidental fatherhood. Supporting a woman's 'right' to abortion means he can play around all the time and not be held responsible. Liberal men are King Ahab. weak, easily led by woman. He was good on his own but his wife overshadowed and cowed him. Liberal women are Jezebel. strong (in the pursuit of wrong), ruthless, selfish, running after false gods. i'm sure you can find some of this on the right. but i think it exemplifies the left to a greater degree. After all. THEY are the ones that promote it.
I explained to you the flaws with the bullet points you copy-pasted. And then I gave you links to studies explaining further why that was. Did you actually read any of the source material you think supports your point? I did. Can you access the full articles used? I can. You have done nothing further to contest the points I made. Your source has been criticized, now respond to it don't just put your fingers in your ears and hope that saying I'm wrong will make it true. This link makes a bunch of statements, and does not cite a single source that one can actually look at. From the sounds of it, it relies on the same studies that your previous post did. Because things are stated in nicely worded, nicely colored brochures does not make them true. Do you have experience in evaluating medical research? If so then I suggest you start doing it beginning with the sources that your abortion propaganda site believes it is supported by. People will also continue to murder even though its illegal. Perhaps we should build safe homicide centers. The fact that humans are bad, is hardly relevant to the question of who should be protected in our society. That aside, its extremely difficult to determine abortion rates pre roe vs wade. Estimates range from 200 000 to 1.2 million. Can you appreciate what that kind of range implies about the data set? Regardless, studies from Poland have suggested there are far fewer abortions when it is illegal. Also common sense tells us when something is illegal the cost of it, both in risk and finances, goes up. When cost goes up, usage goes down.
Liberal men can't force women to have abortions any more than conservative men can keep them from it. Liberal men are just as likely to end up paying child support as anyone. No one, liberal or conservative, is "promoting" abortion.
You just said it is difficult to determine abortion rates when it is illegal. Poland has a great deal of tourist abortion, which is going to happen anywhere it is illegal. You are right about increasing the cost, putting control of abortion in criminal hands is not a good choice. Abortion will never again be as dangerous as it was pre-RvsW, but the safety can only be guaranteed by government supervision. Abortion is legal in Canada and Mexico, women with money will avail themselves of tourist abortions. Abortion is legal in international waters, and Women on Waves will provide access. We can get drugs via the internet, most of them quite safe. Government simply does not have the power to prevent abortions.
It does not have the power to prevent all murders either. So should we organize safe homicide centers for those wishing to murder? It cannot prevent all husbands from beating there wives. Should we set up centers where husbands can take their wives and best them up more safely? The question of whether something can be done with less harm, is separate from the question of whether it should be legal. Here are some numbers from Poland. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-poland.html If I'm reading this right, abortions obtained abroad during the illegal years are in the range of 1000 - 2000x fold less than obtained in Poland during the legal years. So no, tourist abortions are not the issue.
If laws against murder and spousal abuse do not reduce the number of incidents of them, those laws should be repealed and replaced with something that does reduce those numbers. It has been shown by history and by studying other countries that anti-abortion laws don't reduce the number, so some other tactic must be employed. And it must be a tactic that doesn't interfere with the civil rights of women. Canada, which has NO abortion laws, has lower rates than the US. Many Latin American countries, in spite of strict anti-abortion laws, have higher rates.
But as usual you can not show where I did that. Don't you get tired of this pathetic tirade of statements that you know are false and you know that you can not prove? Anyway, I did manage to debunk your lies and misrepresentations regarding any aspect of the law.
Yea and you are a legend in your own mind. The difference is that I can show when and why you are wrong. You have not been able to do so ever.
