No they don't. Stop being so melodramatic. For the last time, if you want to see how little most pro-lifers care about what a woman does to her body, shave your head, donate blood, donate an organ, get a tattoo, get a nose job, get breast implants, get a breast reduction, get a sex change, get your teeth pulled and replaced with diamonds like Kanye West, get your tongue surgically split in half like Erik the Lizard Man, or even gouge out your eye with a fork and eat it like that one crazy girl in that viral video that was circulating online awhile back. And then see how many people outside of your immediate friends and family even care. Using the argument that pro-lifers just want to control women's bodies to justify committing homicide is no different than me arguing that people just want to control what I do with my body when they won't let me punch someone out. My body, my choice. You can't tell me what to do with it. I have the right to throw a right cross if I feel like it. STOP TRYING TO CONTROL ME!
None of those things would keep a woman in her place, barefoot and pregnant like criminalizing abortion. Being pregnant for 9 months and giving birth is hardly comparable to refraining from punching someone. Surely you can see that.
I see no reason that a male cannot have an "opinion" as long as they keep it that way, "An opinion". When a woman is carrying a man's child, ultimately a man should be able to have an opinion but the final say rests with the woman. Now if they agree, it's their business, imo.
Why do fathers have any parental rights? Until science comes up with a viable alternative, it takes two people to make a baby. I would give more weight to the opinion of the woman who has to carry the child in her body for nine months and then birth it. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to just toss the opinion of the man who fathered that child, either.
I read statements like this and I wonder who exactly is the one that's stuck in the past. You're projecting things onto people that they don't even believe. Because you need them to believe those things in order to justify your own beliefs. The fact that we don't even care if a woman totally mars herself beyond recognition only further proves that we don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about "keeping her in her place." She can do whatever she wants to herself. We honestly don't care. And on some level you know that. Even if you'll deny it to the death on here in order to save face. You completely missed my point. And you missed it on purpose. I was using an analogy to illustrate that your rights end where someone else's begin.
Who is this "we"? Whether you admit it or not, there is a segment of society that longs for the good old days when the little wifey stayed home in Pleasantville and had dinner on the table when her man came home from work. Coincidentally, many are the same ones who are against abortion. Statements like "she should have kept her legs closed," are a tipoff that the speaker is antiwoman and thinks she should be punished for having sex. Besides, there must be some explanation why people want to criminalize abortion even when that results in more deaths... Bad analogy. Nothing will happen to your fist if you don't hit someone with it.
Men don't want to pay for all of these medically unnecessary procedures. Seriously, under "Obama Care" you've taken all there is. It's amazing how everyone on this thread feels that they are entitled to somebody else's money because they are an idiot and can't stop drinking and partying. I'm sorry being stupid has consequences. There are child support laws in place already so nobody's going to be starving out on the street if they have a baby. What more do people need? I don't hear an onslaught of feminists saying that men should get a tax exemption since they will never need this stupid procedure.
Technically, it's anti-human altogether. But the notion that it is somehow "pro-woman" when you're killing that many girls is absurd.
Being "pro-fetus" doesn't mean you're "pro-woman", in fact quite the opposite. Do you think that women having abortions CARE what sex the fetus is? Do you think that women giving birth CARE what sex the fetus is? Forcing women to give birth is anti-woman.
Like I said in another thread, I beleive you should have the choice to abort, and in doing so the right to choose to go to hell for murder. God gave us the ability to choose between right and wrong. To me, abortion is wrong, "EXCEPT TO SAVE THE MOTHERS LIFE", and then only when all other means of saving her life have been exhausted. I just had exception to the way you put that statement, implying that abortion was only anti woman, when clearly it is anti life, and morally wrong. It should be used to save a life ONLY, and not a lifestyle.
That is your opinion and clearly the majority of citizens disagree with you. As it is, with no law criminalizing abortion, you are free to make the choice of NOT having an abortion and that soothes your conscience about the morality. Others are free to follow their own moral codes and make different choices. There is no particular reason that YOUR moral code should be enforced as a matter of law.
Child support laws are in place, but unfortunately that doesn't mean the parent with the child is collecting it. True, they are not out on the street starving because the family is being given food stamps and in some cases cash assistance. All provided by the taxpayers. Of course the state does employ workers to chase down the person avoiding paying child support. (Again paid by taxpayers)
The only people going to Hell are those who stand outside abortion clinics and harassing the women entering. Also those who harm abortion doctors. Every abortion has the potential to save a womans life. You don't know if continuing with a pregnancy for even one more day could mean the difference between life and death.
Oh I don't think so. They are trying to help her avoid the biggest mistake of her life. So women should be able to kill their husband because he might be driving the car when an accident happens that kills her? That is about as logical as the nonsense you posted.
As has been pointed out, when you are killing female children in utero, you cannot possibly be pro woman!!!
Men don't want to pay period. But men are going to have to pay--either for a child or an abortion. Oh, and BTW, most women receive child support that is totally inadequate for paying for the child. Who do you think makes up the difference.
Subjective ability to dehumanize someone based on an arbitrary set of standards does not mean you are not objectively guilty of the act you have committed. Your argument is about as ridiculous as saying, "Forcing someone to go to jail after killing someone is anti-freedom!"
A human fetus is human, so how does calling it a fetus "dehumanize" it? To call it a "someone" attributes personhood to an entity that has never been considered a person by society.
The problem here is that many women treat their vaginas like a clown car. Cram as many in there as you can and watch them pile out later. And the man is supposed to pay their way because her idea of making a living is flatbacking. A GOOD woman would never do that, of course, but there are many that do. And the men that pile in are fools that don't think. There ARE red flags, see one, and run as fast as you can in the other direction. There are men and women that see parenthood as sacred, a privelege, and treat it as such. When you see a human life treated as a piece of garbage, that person would treat everything and everybody the same way. That is the basic mantra of the abortionist, and they beleive it is their right to do so. Then they must also beleive in reciprocity, they will be thought of, and treated as such. They don't like that. I don't care. Karma is a beotch.
Comparing going to jail to pregnancy, surprise, surprise... Perfect example of pro-lifers desire to see women punished for choosing to have sex.
