President Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Those Communists May Be right"

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing, not even communism, seemed to obsess Eisenhower as much as his fear that capitalists would ruin their system by spending too much on defense. A sometime reader of Marx and Lenin, the president warned that those communists might be correct: capitalists were too "selfish", too willing to spend and profit now at the cost of "long-term" interest and thus "in the long run would destroy any free economic system."

    Diary entry of 2 July 1953, from the personal diaries of Dwight D. Eisenhower, made available by Francis L. Loewenheim, professor of history, Rice University also to be found in page 540 The American Age, Walter LaFeber, Ph.D.

    Excellent analysis from the man who termed the "military industrial complex." This is directly tied to current events as the government and corporations care more about killing innocent people in other countries than about programs of social uplift.
     
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    I wouldn't say he feared Capitalism but rather he feared Corporatism.
     
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    Communism has murdered more human beings than any other force in the history of mankind. It is an abomination.

    Hundreds of millions slaughtered:
    • Chinese
    • Ukrainians
    • Cambodians

    ....etc
     
  4. Defengar

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    Communism does not kill, it is the people who corrupt it that do.

    Kind of like ALMOST EVERY OTHER SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MAN KIND.
     
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    McCarthy was right .:date:
     
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    WRONG 100%

    Communism kills MORE than any other system by the MILLIONS!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

    Communism is the most pure evil mankind has seen.
     
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    Communism killed more than the Dark Ages & Black Death combined .
     
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    Communism is a corruption. If you read Marx and Lenin it becomes abundantly clear why it can only exist in a totalitarian state. In its inception, in every instance, it was no more than a shift in who are the "haves" and who gets killed for having been a "have."

    Let us not forget that the Red Army systematically assassinated the entire Russian Royal family even through to cousins seven times removed along with their friends and relatives. The "rich" were sent to concentration camps to starve to death.

    In all of its existence, in all cases, the "party" hierarchy are the first to be fed, have homes and heat while those not drinking the Kool-aid go without.
     
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    I heard someone the other day on the news comment that unbridled capitalism becomes mafiaism. I think that's the point that Eisenhower may have been making.

    This is the man that commanded our European forces in WW2. He saw first hand just what war can do. He should be listened to. It's not an argument about capitalism vs communism. It's an argument about keeping greed in check due to how it drives our foreign policy.
     
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    Do you think there is less chance for corruption when there is a communist system than capitalist one?

    Get a life.
     
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    Communism doesnt kill, crazy dictators do.

    But no system kills more than capitalism as starving african children prove.
     
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    African children starve because of Capitalism? Do tell.
     
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    But not half as much as Southern slaveholders did. About 20 million killed (many more tortured) based on the best estimates.

    That's capitalism for you. And they didn't even teach them how to read, unlike communists, who always promote literacy and modernization.

    Go figure!
     
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    Yeah but could he dance?
     
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    Starving Africans are capitalists?????

    Time for milk and cookies.
     
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    a link would be nice.
     
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    Sure would. These bizarro anti-Communist claims are typical ungrounded **********y.
     
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    Eisenhower was a good president. He spent billions on the interstate highway system which was critical to modernizing our postwar economy. His speech on the military industrial complex was one of the great rhetorical admonitions to protect our democracy from corporatism and warmongering in the history of this nation.

    This is exactly the kind of thing the **********s reject.

    Eisenhower would be called a socialist by the baggers, if they even knew who he was.

    The GOP is even out of touch with its own history.
     
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    Can you tell us what state, local, sales, property, use, sin, and other taxes of that time were? thanks
     
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    Pick me. Pick me.

    The effective rate of all taxes on the top bracket was about 50%.

    So are you with Eisenhower or not? Or are you going to pretend that taxes were really lower!

    I love this meme.
     
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    African countries are the purest capitalism.
    No govt help for anyone, rich people own most of the things and pay little taxes, unions are almost non existent...
     
  23. Consmike

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    That is not what I asked.

    Can you please answer the question. thanks
     
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    Another drive-by posting?


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    you might try the source,Mike. it's at the bottom of the graph. you're welcome. :bump:
     

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