US apologises for war in Afghanistan

Um, no, that is not what I said, I did not say the Taliban offer was not reported on, I just showed that it was, at least in the British media.

I am not sure that it was given that much air time, in the US media, for some reason, nor (to pick up on the other members statement), do I believe that it was widely reported in the US media that the Taliban were prepared to negotiate, all along.

It is hardly controversial to state that the US media report what suits their paymasters, not the knowledge of the viewer.

 

Blair was a fool for believing that the Iraq War would go as smoothly as Bosnia did.

He seemed to believe the same for Afghanistan.

 

They did, but it was via a third party. They didn't want to hand him over to us directly.

 

Was the member speaking specifically about the Taliban offer to hand over Bin Laden, or did I mention it before he did?

But okay, let's ask the other member, what did YOU mean by 'lost sight of the fact'?

Who lost sight of that fact, and how?

Now, let's hear that member speak for himself, okay?

Serfin' USA ..over to you.

 

Quite right.

I would want him handed over to a third party, for a due process trial, as well.

You would too right?

 

If the third party was an international court, sure. The third party offered was an Islamic country of their choosing. They didn't specify what country that would be.

 

Hi Serfin Warrior ,
We need time to know whether Blair really was as foolish as some think .
We know he is a very bright guy -- would chew any present American politicians without even thinking , including Obama , who is a bit of a stay at home cat .
The question is , why did a smart dude like Tony agree to go along with George the -- no point name calling .
My guess is that he knew US Geo Political Strategy , and wanted to be in the front when Oil ribbons were handed out .Pragmatic .
Your second point
US went over there because they knew the country was worth anything up to $6 trillion in oil , gas and mineral reserves .
Blair wanted to be part of that contract action .
They may be immoral but they aren't stupid , Serfine

 

Well, if nothing else, he was clever enough to trick the UK into voting for his party.

 

Actually it was reported on widely here in the US. You seem a little hazy with the details tho or perhaps youre just continuing the game of intellectual dishonesty. Taliban didnt want to negotiate all along....immediately after 911 they claimed they had no idea where he was. The month that followed was,hes here but we have no control of him....then that morphed into "we have him in hiding for his own protection". With straightforwardness like that ,why wouldnt the US want to barter with them? The whole "evidence" thing was moot anyway.

The man was indicted for the embassy bombing and the Taliban asked in 1999 for the same type of evidence,which they were provided with but to no avail.

They had their chance, they blew it.

 

Why don't you guys look at the press members who watched Osama cross into Pakistan on December 12 th - 13 th having beforehand given America several times the required co-ordinates to destroy him .
Then interview Osama's surgeon ." He was on borrowed time "
Talk to those who saw him after he died in Pakistan in earlyJanuary 2002 .
Interview all those who attended his funeral .
Will need a new mind set .

 

These folks seem to conveniently forget he was indicted in the US prior to 911 and proper procedure is not to ship the alleged criminal away to a third party for trial, its to extradite them to country where he's been indicted.

 

And there in the bolded bit was why it never happened.because the USA couldn't provide anything more than conjecture.and perhaps, maybes and possiblys......and didn't see how the "word" of the biggest liar in Christendom wasn't proof enough!

 

Yeah...nothing. Its amazing with all the resources at your disposal you folks still regurtitate this pablum.

Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/#ixzz1iRN2pPTG

 

How can you say that when there is oppression rampant in the world? I don't think this is a legitimate reason to go to war, lest a country is willing to fight indecency and tyranny worldwide. If you believe this lie then government propaganda is working on you.

 

Your post screams "...look at me, look at me, look at me..." Shakes head.

 

Where did it say that?

Besides, the bottom line is that it was 2001, and rather than negotiate for him to be tried, and for proper evidence to be brought forward, Bush refused to even entertain the idea, and instead, opted to let him remain at large, for another ten years.

He was supposedly the 'most dangerous man in the world', yet they would let him be free for another decade.

Seem strange to me.

Seem strange to you, like if he was really that dangerous, would you not just be happy to potentially seem him tried and prosecuted? Rather than reject that, and let this ever so dangerous man be at large?

Maybe he was never that dangerous at all, and the elites knew that, and it served them better to let him remain at large, for a few more years?

Or maybe he really was that dangerous, but the elites do not care?

What do you think?

Jack

 

It was not me that said they did, though.

It was Serfin'.

I said they offered to give Bin Laden up.

And that is fact.

 

Precisely.

Bush standing there, howling at the moon, and saying that he KNOWS he is guilty, that the US do not need to provide evidence, does not exactly add to the idea that they actually had real evidence.

It never suited the US to put him on trial.

For the same reason, total lack of hard evidence, that would be accepted by any court that was not a kangeroo court.

Ten years later, it still was not in their interests, only this time their reasons for not wanting a trial were not only about still lacking credible evidence, but also about the fact that Bin Laden could easily have made the life of some elites very uneasy, if he was put in the dock(sic).

They got ten good years out of him as a bogeyman, to scare their own people.

 

LOL, dont you know fishing when you see it. The Taliban are smarter then the people here defending them!!

The evidence they wanted would have had to been to their satisfaction - a subjective intepretation of information which would have likely revealed way too much information about intelligence activities to be worth wasting time trying. The Taliban could have said 'thanks for the info on your intel networks, but your evidence must be fake'.

If they were genuine about negotiating they would have been happy picking a genuine neutral country only. They knew all along the presentation of evidence would be impossible to do even if the US did have evidence.

 

So the fact is the Taliban were so reliant on AQ that they had to risk their own existance defending them.

 

Yeah right. Did America hold a referendum in Afghanistan on its imposition of democracy? Tell us how well the terminally corrupt US puppet 'government' is doing over there.

 

If you prefer to chat about your imagined talents to read people's motives . So be it .
Other contributors prefer to discuss how a country of supposedly intelligent people would get 4000 of their kids slaughtered for no reasons that make any obvious sense .
What other imagined talents do you want to boast about , Albert ?
We just can't wait to have our time wasted !!

 

9/11 was the direct result of the USA intervening in various muslim countries. Interventions that were requested/approved by the UN.

Gulf War I:UN requested action

Sanctions and No Fly Zones subsequent to Gulf War I:UN requested action

Aggressive Protection of Food Supplies in Somalia:UN approved action

Meddling in Yugoslavia:UN approved action

So..

Now that we have established that the major events that pissed Muslims off in the first place, US intervention in the Middle East and elsewhere were either requested or approved by the UN.

We can see that the Khobar Barracks Bombings, the Cole Bombing, The African Embassy Bombings, and 9/11 were not the fault of the USA.

Now, since 9/11 was not the fault of the USA. After 10 years of suffering dramatic and crippling terrorist attacks all over the world culminating in a terrible atrocity unlike any ever seen in the world in which all the groups responsible for planning, funding, training and otherwise aiding and abetting that decade of attacks all resided within the nation of Afghanistan.

What was the USA supposed to do man?

Were we supposed to just let bygones be bygones, blame ourselves for 9/11 and just move on and do nothing to rid ourselves and the world once and for all of the hornets nest that was residing in Afghanistan?

Do you honestly hate America so much that you expected us to do nothing to finally, once and for all, bring stability to Afghanistan and destroy the seat of Al Qaeda affiliated Islamic Jihad?

Afghanistan wasn't some innocent country we just decided to invade at random. Islamic Jihad lived there, and Afghanistan was the base of Islamic Jihad.

I just don't understand how you can have all the unrealistic expectation of the American People to just sit around and accept being bombed and killed at random all over the world and do nothing to try and stop it.

It comes across as grossly unfair and unjust to punish America for doing what the world asked us to do.

 

You failed to mention the influential role the US had in the Iraqi Sanctions,

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_444bba62-911a-58a4-b9b6-3c7caa21027d.html

as well as the US's blind support for Israel (which possibly the greatest source of Arab/Muslim animosity towards the US).

 

what a waste of time and money. $aving a hellhole of a brutal backward religious zealot country for what. kick their ass for a decade only to realize as soon as we leave the exact same violence with the same principles return.
What a moronic war. The taliban won in the same manner a rat gets squashed by an elephant and 10 more rats appear and get squashed and 10 more rats until the elephant realizes he is surrounded by rats and his "friend" he is saving are in bed with the "enemies" he is fighting. It is not his fight. trillions later we wake up to that obvious reality.

any more rats want to start something you bomb all their cities to the ground and leave them among their own rubble.