Unions are destroying Hostess...

Hey, I can't help it if you believe all those corporate lies that you deserve less. Your corporate master would be proud of you.

 

Globalization has placed all Western workers in direct competition with third world workers. There are no unions in China.

 

They are not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lies. You're just in denial of the fact that globalization is making the value of labor drop into the floor and those that cannot adapt are going to be poor. The worst part is you expect those of us who are not suffering from globalization, because we were smart enough to escape the blue collar world, to pay ourselves into poverty to keep the former blue collar workers from being poor.

I do not feel sorry for people who didn't go to college losing their asses and being poor. That is what has been predicted for 30 years. You can't say people haven't been warned in advance.

 

Union leadership make their demands and won't budge. Company goes down or moves away. Now they wash dishes or deliver pizzas or are completely unemployed, sell the 2nd car...boy, it was so worth it to listen to the union leadership for that buck more an hour.

I think it would be a brilliant bit of journalism...to go do interviews with past employees of different companies akin to the Hostess problem, to get their take in hindsight of their decisions regarding towing the union leadership line.

 

Yeah, these "facts" have only been facts for about 30 years. Ask your corporate master why America was able to survive (no, more like prosper) 200 years without globalization, free trade, and greed. We used to have protectionism, tariffs, high progressive taxes, strong unions, good paying manufacturing jobs for high school graduates and we were the strongest country in the world. Where are we now?? Ask your corporate master how corporations still functioned then (no, more like prosper) under such condition.

Keep believing the corporate lies. I'm sure your Massa will reward you someday for your loyalty, but I doubt it. Handouts only enable the slaves.

 

Unions are notorious for their belligerence.One reason is because they
have to justify their union leaders and their high salaries based on little
more than forced strikes to elevate wages so union dues can go to
union bosses.

 

That world is over. We are now in a new era of world history. There are no unions in China. There's no getting around that fact.

 

And when the host dies, the leeches die. And the unions aren't about committing suicide. So there is, of course, more to your story.

 

Oh yeah and corporate leaders never make demands and not budge. Like telling their employees to accept a pay cut or your job will be sent to Mexico. Then the Company still goes down or moves away, because average manufacturing wage in Mexico is 28.50 Pesos an hour. (about $2.10 USD) Of course this has nothing to do with a union because even non-union American workers cost too much. With the all mighty NAFTA, you will all eventually be washing dishes or delivering pizzas or be completely unemployed anyways.

 

There are two options to compete:

- Going down

- Giving more quality

If we have to compete removing rights. Don't hope that workers will be quiet. I hope. Workers didn't die years ago to get many rights to now lose all them.

And if it is necessary to go back to barricades then is time to go back. In Europe we don't fear it.

And the workers in America also won't fear going to the barricades again.

 

So ban unions. And become a dictatorship. Because the only way to stop the workers will be taking out the tanks. Do you want that?

Why do you think that Chinese people don't make stronger moves, because they don't want? No. Because they are in an iron dictatorship and if they make moves that can be dangerous for the system, they will use tanks; remember Tiananmen.

Ah, and in China workers are starting to get organized. What do you think? That the social conscience is not there. You will see how they get more rights.

And workers are not less important than corporations. Corporations without workers don't work. And workers have the power. Just they don't know.

 

And just remember, it was unions that took down communist Poland!

 

Giving more quality is not possible for the workers in America. They are products of the American public school system. That means they lack basic skills.

Going to the barricades isn't an option when jobs are simply shipped to China.

 

The union movement in America has run into the Second Law of Thermodynamics. They are petering out...nothing is forever.

The Chinese Communist Party is very wise and very strong. The workers of China will not be organizing under any circumstances.

 

Wow, that's patriotic!

China: good, America: Bad

 

I'm post-American. The America we have known is coming to an end. The correlation of historic forces that permitted the rise of America are no longer aligned. And they will never be aligned again unless history can be recreated. That has never happened before. It is what it is. It is best to accept one's karma.

 

So, why don't you get it over with and move to the new superpower, China. I hear the standard of living is really nice over there.

 

My wife is Han Chinese. We may retire to Guangdong.

 

They are made under licence in Canada, by Saputo, a big food conglomerate from Montreal.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120111/hostess-brands-120111/

 

Good then get out and live with your communist chinese buddies. Have fun working for 8 cents an hour over there

 

I am not convinced they are very wise. They have a signficant advantage of extremely limited bureacracy for their advantage, but that is not always exercised into the wisest choice.

They have a massive housing bubble to deal with and an emerging green economic shortfall problem to deal with as well. I am not being vague I simply do not have significant knowledge of all the variables regarding this, but the basic gist would be this. China is the top seller of green industry around the planet (myriad smuck governments buying into it), and green is being exposed as more and more as a false job creator, therefore significant less GDP for China green tech growth etc as previous sucker nations flee the failure.

Why I say my knowledge is lacking on the variables, is that the US is probably 2nd on selling green tech to everyone, so they have a similar dilemma emerging, and that is just too complicated for my brain to even start sorting out (meaning China has the market on minerals, does not abide to false green global standards being forced on other nations, but it is the top seller of the tech), and the US sells the tech, and is held accountable so must keep the false green tech pitch (although false) alive for sales/GDP growth reasons.

Pitch, loop, bubble. Rinse and repeat until it pops.

I recall when China gobbled up 95% of the rare earth minerals (a couple of years ago) on the planet, which of course are required for green energy tech.

These issues are going to have to be addressed by China, and my opinion is...other economic giants (collectively possibly), can put it too China (so to speak) just like China puts it to them.

 

Buy them up now.
They will remain edible until you die.