‘I was tossed out of the tribe’: climate scientist Judith Curry interviewed

Hoosier and Robert do not understand even the most basic concepts of science so further discussion with them is pointless.

 

Here is something along the lines of what Vegas can understand since it has to do with politics instead of science.

Obama and the climate change musical

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Easy peasy, just claim others don't now anything about something you show no curiosity in and have proven to only listen to politicians and the media about.

 

In your desperation, you pull that stunt.

Thus far, you have added nothing at all to prove man is in charge of global climate.

Must be in charge given the Democrats preach to us they know how to control global climate.

That is arrogant given they have not shown they control climate at any city, state or nation.

Good luck Democrats trying to run the climate of Earth.

 

There is nothing wrong with solar power during the daytime. Batteries at homes can amount to a hell of a danger.

Wind power works great when wind blows. But is the wind blowing a lot. Again, the old battery problem again.

If you see an off the grid battery installation, it is very hard to forget.

Then once you are off the grid, the utility company can still charge you for the service, even if not used.

 

Look if you just admitted you made a mistake then further discussion is possible. If you said something like, " Ok I guess you are right. Science does not really prove things. I meant PROVE in the common use of the word rather than the scientific use of it. I mistook the term scientific law to imply a theory had been proven but that is factually incorrect. But you are actually correct. Science only gathers evidence and never EVER proves anything." then we could move on. But when you say something so patently false, so unbelievably WRONG, then nothing else you say can ever be considered valid. If your standard is that AGW must be PROVEN before we can act on it then there is no point in further discussion.

 

you got your ball now? Yeah, you can go home. again, bye. No more discussion is necessary, you are just a lost political following soul.

 

Good Riddance. LOL

 

bye for the third time, leave, go home and play with your ball.

 

This thread is the perfect example of why even though I believe in AGW I will never side with the alarmists. Their default answer to almost every statement they don't like is name calling. Simply look at the first few pages and you will see what I mean.

The fact is if you want intelligent discourse from people that support AGW then don't bother looking on this forum, you will find nothing but childish, religious fanatics who are not interested in actual debate but just name calling. Go to phys.org or even skeptical. Those posters are much more intelligent and inciteful.

 

I did not make any mistakes. See, I spoke of just LAW. I went into a bit of detail why a LAW is a LAW and science does not recognize unproven LAWS.

I say AGW is political, not science. As some of you say, there still are wide areas of knowledge yet not proven. AGW is not yet proven. This is not for fun. Democrats intend to totally change society to cover this rant.

Such as making you drive autos you would not really like. I recall in Europe that nations drove unsafe cars that were then rejected by the USA. Safety glass was then common here. But not in Europe. When we bought European cars in Europe, to be legal in the USA, major modifications had to first be made for them to be legal in the USA.

Given you guys argue things are not proven, then why bother us all over climate as if you had the keys to control it?

By the way, much of what you claim came not from me, but from your guy. I for instance have never stated that a law came from theory.

A law sure is present though while being proven. Ohm's law first was an idea. As it was proven, it was then called a LAW. Why don't you guys yet know what LAWs are?

 

Let's try this approach.

Why else act on AGW if as you say, it is not proven?

 

Not sure about the tribe but there clearly is a hockey team.

Any chance that you can use this font and size and dispense with the bold and colors. It speaks to a sense of desperation from you.

 

Below is a link to her blog. Really good stuff there. For example this discussion and conversation between Dr. Curry and Dr.s Chen and Tung who have collaborated on the paper "Varying planetary heat sink led to global-warming slowdown and acceleration". It appears that 50% of the temperature cycles in the global climate may be due to natural Atlantic Ocean cycle.

https://judithcurry.com/2014/08/21/cause-of-hiatus-found-deep-in-the-atlantic-ocean/

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/08/earths-missing-heat-may-be-hiding-deep-atlantic

 

Any or all of these sites should be added to your list. If you want a very detailed accounting of the politicization of AGW read the book "The Hockey Stick Illusion" to see how a few bristlecone and Gaspe` data sets made the hockey stick appear and the MWP disappear. It's fascinating to see how a small group of supposed intellectually honest and totally interested in the truth climatologists dishonestly have manipulated data sets to create a "problem" which can be and has been exploited by BIG Gov politicians and BIG Science.

http://climateaudit.org/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

http://www.climatedepot.com/

https://judithcurry.com/

https://twitter.com/rogerapielkesr

 

NOAA is predicting cooling with the rapid collapse of the El Niño and coming strong La Nina. Others have predicted cooling starting 2017 die to the unusual solar inactivity. India is preparing it's people for a cooling phase which brings more snow in the north and drought in the south.

 

That's a crank conspiracy theory, flatly contradicted by all the data, and anyone trying to push it should be classified as just another yammering conspiracy cultist.

Real scientists don't resort to conspiracy theories. Deniers now rely solely on conspiracy theories. They have to, because all the actual data contradicts them.

 

Yeah. Sure thing. Cooling any day now, this time for sure, because it's different this time!

You deniers have been predicting cooling for decades now. Curry predicted sharp cooling in 2016, and instead it warmed to record-shattering levels. Deniers just keep getting it totally wrong, over and over. That's why they're considered to be laughingstocks.

In contrast, the real scientists have been spot on with their predictions for decades, and that's why those climate scientists have such credibility.

However, Curry wasn't dumped for getting it wrong. She was dumped for flinging baseless accusations of fraud at her fellow scientists. That was completely inexcusable, she's never shown any remorse for it, and she keeps doing it.

 

Speaking of contrast, first the lies you tell, then denial of science. Priceless. Are the spot on because they continue to predict more warming than is happening? Curry was dumped for looking at all of the science, not for the lies you tell.

 

I partly agree, if you work for a business that sells results to the government and they want say results that show something, you better provide those results that are politically popular

doesn't mean you can't go off on your own... but if you want the $$$, you must delivery the results requested....

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No conspiracy theory. The hockey stick goes away if the bristlecone series is excluded (as it should be due to divergence, CO2 fertilization, and strip bark issues). And the Medieval Warm period comes back if the Gaspe' cedar series (as it should be with it's U shaped Temperature vs. growth curve). And all the confirming analysis in support of Mann used the same data series.

Read "The Hockey Stick Illusion" for all the details including some of the ClimateGate emails which show hockey team acknowledgement of the above.

 

The historical cycles say we are due to cool and I'm sure when we do the AGW bunch will take credit for it saying their C02 agreements saved the world. On to the next crisis

 

Here are some applicable Karl Popper quotes:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6211.Karl_Popper

 

That's a particularly senseless conspiracy theory. Where on earth did you get the idea that the hockey stick comes solely from tree rings? Even if they could refute MBH98 -- and deniers have failed wretchedly at that, only falling on their faces and revealing their own fraud when they tried -- there would be a dozen other hockey sticks coming from completely independent branches of science.

I've studied McIntyre's conspiracy theories closely, which are what that book parrots, hence I'm already fully aware of how fraudulent those denier conspiracy theories are.

 

Why do you think they call it Michael Man and the Tree Ring Circus? Do you know anything about the Hockey Stick (which, BTW, the IPCC has dropped)?

 

All of which point out how global warming sceince is real science, while denialism is cult pseudoscience.

Popper was big on falsifiability. He's says if it's not falsifiable, it's not science.

A dozen different things could falsify global warming theory.

Nothing can falsify denialism.

That's because global warming science is actual science, while denialism is a purely political belief masquerading as science