“Panic in Kiev: Ukrainian forces surrender Donbass”

Warsaw is their ultimate goal. They want to undo the creation of Poland after WW1

 

The idea that one can use terms like 'Coup' and 'true president' as though they have meaning beyond the writer and the folk who wrote the propaganda, is laughable. According to Hitler, the Poles attacked Germany and the German invasion was simply spirited self defense. That they had pictures, movies, and a vast propaganda effort to push that story line did not make it any more true that the fluff you are trying to pass off as real. Russia wanted more influence in the country. When they lost that politically, they invited separation and when that did not go as planned they provided bogus 'volunteers' complete with heavy weapons to aid the valiant thugs trying to separate from the central government.

 

There's an old saying: "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bull(*)(*)(*)(*)".

Unfortunately, you have done neither. Even the trolls here admit there was a coup, though they try to justify it. You, however, seem unaware of even that basic fact.

 

What is a coup to you is a popular change to most of the Ukraine....Sorry, but your blind acceptance of the Russia party line, every jot and title in the face of obvious Russian invasion is silly.

 

Your an insane mental patient if you think that chasing the Democratically elected president out of a country in favor of a Neo nazis regime is anything but a coup.

This isn't the first attempt either, the nazis organized another attempted coup in 2004 called the orange
revolution.

Ukrainians have long supported hitler
and the nazis, many historians accredited them with inventing the concept of a Holocaust when they killed 20,000 Jews in ww2

The facts are the west spent BILLIONS supporting Neo nazis in Ukraine too overthrow their government and because only a small part of Ukraine
are Neo nazis a large chunk of them fought against this coup. Rightfully fearing for their lives as nazis now have free reign tokill
torture and imprisoned any Jew Russian or immigrant living in
their borders without fear of jail.


You say Russians are in Ukraine I say german Polish and Hungarian Neo nazis are in Ukraine ten fold.

 

What happened with the overthrow of Yanukovich is the very definition of a coup. One needn't be a Russian apologist to see that.

 

You do realize that history is full of despots that were popularly elected and then ignored the laws that got them there...Hitler, Mohammad Mosaddegh , etc. Just because folk made a mistake does not mean they have to live with it when the fellow goes off the rails...You can call it whatever you want but the country supported it.

 

Oh Ronstar you're too naïve. Do you think the rebels will stop at Warsaw, I say Washington is their goal...and then on to California. Hollywood better watch out?

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Uhhh! I have news for you, the people of the Maidan came from the poorest area in Ukraine, and they were paid to be there. It wasn't just cookies Nuland was handing out. Most of Ukraine wasn't there, they were working, and their jobs depended on trade with Russia...not on the EU.

 

I can't believe I just heard hitler and mossaddegh being called the same person.

I wash my hands of this thread as I have no desire to debate idiots

 

The protest movement seems to have been motivated by a mixture of opposition to Yanukovych, illusions in “Europe”, hatred of all the oligarchs and their political cronies, and the Western version of Ukrainian nationalism, which gave an important opening to the extreme right:

http://avtonomia.net/2014/02/20/maidan-contradictions-interview-ukrainian-revolutionary-syndicalist/

 

Now, it becomes clear that attempts of military solution by Kiev failed. Arming the Porko army is unwanted by Europe. I doubt, if peaceful solution is possible. Kiev Maidan government should capitulate and let Ukraine to go ahead and become split into reasonably happy parts, each with its own direction.

 

Thugs elected by one set of rules who then decided to change the rules after getting into power...yup, the same.

 

I think you are wrong here. The notion Putin has sent tanks into Ukraine like the Soviet Union did in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 is false. Rather Moscow has provided command and control, intelligence, special forces and heavy weapons to the pro-Russian militias in south eastern Ukraine. Only when the Kiev government offensive during the summer threatened to overwhelm its opponents did Russia deploy heavily armed regular troops in mid-August. They sent the government forces fleeing in disarray and gave Poroshenko little alternative except to negotiate the ceasefire Putin quickly offered. Dmitri Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Centre, explained the Russian president’s strategy to the Financial Times:

"By stepping up Russia’s involvement in eastern Ukraine in recent weeks and deploying regular Russian troops, Mr Putin had sent a message to Kiev that he would not allow Ukrainian forces to defeat the pro-Russian rebels.

He put his finger on the scales of the battle, not his entire fist. And that was enough to deny victory to Ukrainian forces,” said Mr Trenin. The Russian president’s main aim, he added, was to position Moscow to have “enough leverage to weigh in very seriously on what happens in Kiev”, and prevent it from joining Western alliances such as NATO":

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/828004a6-33...w.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=1002#axzz3ERM4pdQy

The truth is a weakened Russia has been able to outmanoeuvre NATO. China is a much more difficult proposition. This is partly because of the size and dynamism of its economy and the speed with which it is expanding its military capabilities. But it is also because, like Russia, its focus is primarily regional, and not global.

 

So-called rebel fighters have all the russian weapons they want.

They also have russian troops to support them.

 

Putin doesn't want the Donbas to be separated from Ukraine, it would be much too problematic. He only wants it to have autonomy. He said he is criticized by Russians for accepting only the Crimea, and not the Donbas as if they are not as much Russian as the Crimeans are, but he said the situation is different. Crimea is detached from Ukraine, while the Donbas is not. If the Russian army had gone in where would they have stopped? Also the Crimea is very important to Russia as a warm sea port to the Black Sea.