‘Top Gun: Maverick’ is ‘insidious’ for portraying ‘virtue’ of US military: MSNBC editor

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  1. XXJefferson#51

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    …Aleem trashed the “Best picture” nominee in a Saturday morning column for painting America’s military in a positive light, lamenting that the “literal propaganda,” as he described it, is “poised to become canonized as a highly decorated film.”

    The Academy Awards are on Sunday.

    The action flick, which almost single-handedly recharged the dwindling film industry after the stagnation caused by COVID-19 lockdowns, has been nominated for six Oscars, including “Best Picture.”

    Aleem revealed he was not as pleased with the film as millions of American movie goers.

    Though he admitted it was “a breath of fresh air to see dazzling live-action aerial combat scenes involving real actors (trained to withstand G forces by real pilots) and (mostly) real planes,” the columnist slammed it for being “as insidious as it is entertaining.”

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    Cruise at the red carpet premiere of “Top Gun: Maverick.”
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    He declared it is insidious because of its overt pride for the American military, saying, “it also beckons for a return to accepting the American war machine as a beacon of virtue and excitement.”

    Aleem added, “It’s a poisonous kind of nostalgia, one that smuggles love of endless war into a celebration of live action.”

    The columnist reduced the film about patriotism, family, and U.S. resilience against unimaginably tough odds to “literal propaganda,” pointing to the U.S. Defense Department’s contributions to the film….











    read more news: https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/top-gun-maverick-is-insidious-for-portraying-virtue-of-us-military-msnbc-editor/







    This is so of MSNBC. It’s likely a common viewpoint there. It’s terrible that the lamestream media hates America so much. All the values we the people are for, they are against.

     
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    It will be interesting to see how popular the MSNBC guys views as reported on in the news story here are on the progressive left in general. This is typical of the MBFC approved MSM.
     
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    It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be TBH, but I am not sure it is particularly Oscar worthy.
     
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    It was an absolutely awesome movie. Worthy of best picture in my opinion.
     
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    Banshees would get my vote if I had one.
     
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    AHDB.
    Ah, the all important posting of articles that are paraphrasing op-ed pieces.
    This is so lazy. If YOU actually had an original thought about Zeeshan Aleem's op-ed piece, please share your insights with us. Maybe even share the ACTUAL op-ed piece rather than the NYPost's Cliff notes and THEIR opinion of the article.
    So useless. Stop flooding the wrong boards with other peoples opinions.
     
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    Everything Everywhere All at Once is a LOCK for BP...
    Banshees is Great...
    Elvis is Great...
    I expect Top Gun: Maverick to be Shut Out at the Oscars
     
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    BTW there is an absolutely elogious article about Tom Cruise in today's NYTimes that calls the film "jingo free". So there goes your point about the 'left' hating the film. The other point that the headline conveniently omits is that there IS a weird issue about the military exchanging access to the film makers in exchange for editorial review
    This IS worth discussing
     
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    Somebody's Opinion of Somebody Else's Opinion of Somebody Else's Opinion?
    Cool...
     
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    I posted a current events news article in the New York Post, not the PMSDNC persons televised op Ed piece.
     
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    Considering the liberal bias there so do I. Sad but typical of the secular progressive elites. The more popular a movie is with the people watching the less support it gets in awards (Titanic being a rare exception) and Vice versa.
     
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    Outside of the proximity to the Oscars, this sort of criticism
    has been floating around ever since the movie was released 9 Months Ago...
    Google: criticism of top gun maverick
     
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    Yeah. You just lazy. Taking other people's word for it without even looking at the source material. Talk about being brainwashed.
    This is a nothing op-ed piece that I don't particularly agree with, except the part of the military getting to dictate the tone and the text of the script.
    For anyone who cares about the ACTUAL piece, which is actually a written op-ed piece. Here it is
    https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/top-gun-maverick-oscars-2023-rcna73773

    In what universe the OP thinks that this is a current event is beyond me
     
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    He is not wrong

    No other country glorifies like America does
     
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    I don't mind movies that glorify the military. Many of those men and women deserve the glory. Demonizing the military has always been one of the dumbest things some on the left have done. Not keeping the military richly funded is another in my opinion. In this I'm very much a follower of Teddy Roosevelt's "Speak softly but carry a big stick" philosophy. In fact, this is one of the issues where this country needs a Republican party. There are all kinds of issues the country faces, and no party has the right of it across the board. In my view, the Republicans have the right of it on this one.
     
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    I found it a bit silly.
     
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    Hollywood has a long history of propagandising war and the US military.
     
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    Here's a little tip ... IT'S A MOVIE!

    "It's a work of fiction, any resemblance to real people or events" was a total phuk up by the writers. :shock:

    Blaming The United States and it's Military PROFESSIONAL'S for some Hollywood fantasy aggrandizement of war is as ludicrous as the movie industry itself.

    Our Military is the best in the world because of it's extreme dedication to professionalism. Any resemblance to a play acting movie is accidental on the movie's part.

    BUT! IMHO T-G-M was ... lame. My wife and I went because it was highly recommended. But, right off the bat, I thought the "attack setup" was off the scale ludicrous. I spent the whole movie thinking this could never happen in real life ... first of all ... after the "first fly-by (that he was denied permission for, let alone doing it a second time) "Maverick" would have never sat in a Navy jet again, much less flew one. He probably couldn't have even got a ride on the proverbial plane full of rubber dog **** out of Hong Kong.
     
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    You're right on the edge of the slippery slope.

    Anybody paying attention over the decades knows that Hollywood movies promote the US military aggression and the required propaganda to achieve that. The most egregious IMO was Zero Dark Thirty, advancing the false narrative of what happened at Abbottabad.

    The Military Industrial Complex has wrought all the damage to society that Ike warned about in 1961. His warnings have come true with a vengeance. I love airplanes, especially military aircraft, but pretending our military does good in today's world is something I cannot do.
     
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    OUR military has kept the world generally peaceful and made international trade and the bounty of goods we all enjoy possible. The Navy only "participates" in these Hollywood stunts because they prove to be an excellent recruiting tool.
     
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    I suppose it is worth discussing, but this isn't new. The military will cooperate with films that make it look good, and won't cooperate with films that make it look bad. So are you arguing that the military shouldn't cooperate with any films? Only with films that make them look bad? What is your discussion angle?
     
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    Yeah, not that new or controversial subject. Just setting the record straight for the OP. But it is funny that at the time that the right is getting outraged about the government going for covert PR, they don't see this as perhaps a little icky. (I do understand that the twitter thing and this thing are different animals).
    It is one thing when the military PR machine is front and center (ie sponsoring NASCAR vehicles) it's another when it is using its leverage to get the message they want out there without really letting the public know. Of course the film industry is free not to take up the militaries offer. They chose the access in exchange for serving the propaganda.
    Anywho, those are the normal person questions we could be asking, instead of the OPs ridiculous post
     
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    Just like NASCAR, the purpose of the promotion is for recruiting. I wouldn't say the support is covert however. It's not hidden.
     
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    Humor me. In the last 10 years, how many of the Oscar winning movies did you see and thought that they were the best picture?
     
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    Fox News decided to make a news story on the media based on reporting what the other news channel guy actually said.
     

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