“Is no one allowed to say anything?'”

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Arizona Senate President Karen Fann (R) insists that “it was not a mistake” for state GOP senators to hire Cyber Ninjas, whose CEO Doug Logan had regurgitated the “Big Lie” that voter fraud engineered ex-President Donald Trump’s electoral defeat, to lead a supposedly independent audit of the election results in a county where Joe Biden beat Trump.

    “Just because somebody found some tweet that’s within some archive program that none of us ever would have done it (the search) doesn’t mean anything,'” Fann told Capitol Media Services on Friday in an interview published Sunday. “Is no one allowed to say anything?'”

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-of-big-lie-is-no-one-allowed-to-say-anything

    C'mon man. Just because we hired someone who promoted QAnon, can't you give us a break? Oh...QAnon and the "Big Lie" about voter fraud. OK, so two of the most insipid conspiracy theories floating around the right wing eco-system. But other than that........what's the problem?
     
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    I'm interested learning more about Qanon. Can you provide their web URL and their physical address? I haven't been able to find either.
     
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    Just because they are conspiracy theories, does not mean they are not true.

    I have advocated for months that we should have a top to bottom investigation of voting in the US. Nothing is off limits to investigate. Not an investigation where they take a two day look and say no fraud, but a real in depth investigation.

    For some reason, the democrats are opposed to such an investigation.
     
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    Yeah, how about that....but then the Dems saying it ain't so MAKES it all good to THEIR devoted acolytes (and I didn't use that "C" word they're so fond of).
     
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    Just maybe cities like Milwaukee claiming 91 polling stations had over 90% voter turn out and 201 of them had over 80%. Since that would be a historical 1st, not to mention closing the voter count for the 1st time in history to find only Biden votes is a bit obvious.
     
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    As far as I can tell, somebody made some **** up on the internet one day, and now some on the left think the entire right believe it. I havn't come across anybody who believes any of it, or who even really know what "it" is. I sure couldn't tell you what their message is. I'm sure its a bunch of nonsense though.
     
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    I wouldnt use Wisconsin for your point?....LOL

    2020 election again shows lopsided Republican legislative maps

    This year’s voting breakdown wasn’t as stark as in 2018, when Democrats swept all statewide elections and Democratic Assembly candidates secured about 53% of total votes cast, but they only ended up with 36% of the chamber’s seats. In 2016, Republicans garnered 52% of votes cast, yet won 65% of the Assembly seats.

    https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...cle_d0c11425-df16-5d0b-a3e8-4954e7897652.html
     
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    I undrerstand what it is. It is a person or two behind a computer monitor. I was just making a point. We live in an age when a tweet can move governments. We would do well to start ignoring all of it.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely. It's the dark side of technology, mass communication, and social media.
     
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    What does that have to do with reported claims of over 90% voter turnout in 1/3 of these polling stations and over 80% in 2/3 of them.
     
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    It has been proven over and over it never happened.....You believe in fairy tails! Do you remember those judges throwing out unfounded lies?.....
    Wisconsin is the classic example of the GOP rigging thing to help themselves...JFC!
     
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    Wisconsin Supreme Court Rejects Trump’s Latest Election Fraud Suit
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/wisconsin-supreme-court-rejects-trumps-latest-election-fraud-suit

    Trump's legal attempt to throw out votes in Wisconsin's most diverse counties 'smacks of racism,' judge says

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wis...d-lawsuit-smacks-of-racism-judge-says-2020-12

    Wisconsin Supreme Court hearing on Donald Trump's election challenge features heated rhetoric

    https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/...cle_38ceca3d-c184-5ded-84e2-6aff241015de.html


    Story after story proving all it was was a big lie with baseless claims....
    Every judge saw it the same....Even Wisconsin's Supreme Court!
     
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    Now you are just making up claims. Maybe you should go to Milwaukee's voter website before regurgitating leftist media BS.
    Most candidates will win elections pretty close and sometimes get in the 60% range. Anything over that would be considered a blow out win.

    Milwaukee had
    9 Dem candidates wins over 90% of the vote
    6 Dem candidates wins over 80% of the vote
    6 Dem candidates wins over 70% of the vote

    So 21 Democrats out of 24 all have historical blow out wins? Thats some kind of magical numbers. Something never seen in the history of voting.

    Not to mention that they are claiming (on average) they had over 78% voter turnout and to get to that number, you have many with numbers above 90%?


    Latest Election Results
    November 3, 2020 - General Election

    FINAL OFFICIAL RESULTS including provisional ballots.

    ELECTION RESULTS ARE FOR THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE ONLY.

    ELECTION RESULTS ARE FOR THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE ONLY.


    SUMMARY REPORT CITY OF MILWAUKEE OFFICIAL RESULTS
    RUN DATE:11/06/20 2020 GENERAL ELECTION
    RUN TIME:05:11 PM NOVEMBER 3, 2020

    VOTES PERCENT

    PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 327). . . . . 327 100.00%
    REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 315,483
    BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 247,695
    BALLOTS CAST - BLANK. . . . . . . 67 .03
    VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 78.51%
    VOTER TURNOUT - BLANK . . . . . . .02

    President
    Vice President
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Joseph R. Biden / Kamala D. Harris (DEM) 194,661 78.83%
    Donald J. Trump / Michael R. Pence (REP) 48,414 19.60
    Don Blankenship / William Mohr (CON) . 369 .15
    Jo Jorgensen / Jeremy Spike Cohen (LIB) 2,085 .84
    Brian Carroll / Amar Patel (ASP). . . 459 .19
    WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . 962 .39
    Over Votes . . . . . . . . . 97
    Under Votes . . . . . . . . . 648

    Representative in Congress, District 4
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Gwen S. Moore (DEM) . . . . . . . 188,726 78.05%

    State Senator, District 4
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 81 OF 81 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Lena C. Taylor (DEM). . . . . . . 51,704 98.53%

    State Senator, District 6
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 98 OF 98 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    LaTonya Johnson (DEM) . . . . . . 60,057 88.51%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 7
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 19 OF 19 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Daniel G. Riemer (DEM) . . . . . . 10,694 97.28%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 8
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 27 OF 27 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Sylvia Ortiz-Velez (DEM) . . . . . 8,914 78.70%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 9
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 32 OF 32 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Marisabel Cabrera (DEM). . . . . . 11,981 72.77%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 10
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 26 OF 26 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    David Bowen (DEM). . . . . . . . 14,796 99.29%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 11
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 29 OF 29 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Dora Drake (DEM) . . . . . . . . 15,750 86.73%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 12
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 26 OF 26 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    LaKeshia N. Myers (DEM). . . . . . 17,915 82.55%


    Representative to the Assembly, District 16
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 31 OF 31 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Kalan Haywood (DEM) . . . . . . . 17,664 88.91%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 17
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 34 OF 34 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Supreme Moore Omokunde (DEM) . . . . 22,418 85.93%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 18
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 33 OF 33 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Evan Goyke (DEM) . . . . . . . . 18,775 99.00%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 19
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 29 OF 29 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Jonathan Brostoff (DEM). . . . . . 27,552 78.41%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 20
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 18 OF 18 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Christine M. Sinicki (DEM). . . . . 12,442 97.10%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 22
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 3 OF 3 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Janel Brandtjen (REP) . . . . . . 1,604 89.26%

    Representative to the Assembly, District 84
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 10 OF 10 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Mike Kuglitsch (REP). . . . . . . 6,654 95.18%

    District Attorney
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    John T. Chisholm (DEM) . . . . . . 193,840 98.02%

    County Clerk
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    George L. Christenson (DEM) . . . . 202,463 98.74%
    %
    County Treasurer
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    David Cullen (DEM) . . . . . . . 201,007 98.81%


    Register of Deeds
    (VOTE FOR) 1
    (WITH 327 OF 327 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
    Israel Ramon (DEM) . . . . . . . 199,085 98.82%
     
  14. Lee Atwater

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    What does your post have to do with what's going on in AZ?

    The Senate’s months-long search for auditors apparently didn’t consider what reporters dug up in a few minutes — a Twitter account seemingly belonging to Cyber Ninjas’ founder, Doug Logan, showing a steady track record of amplifying lies and misinformation about the 2020 election.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...20-fraud-nonsense-to-audit-dem-leaning-county

    If they wanted an impartial, credible audit why hire a nutbag?
     
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    So again...............why did the judges not give a ****????...........Hmmmm probably its all bullshit!

    Deep state?........Q was right all along?........Maybe a new life and a fresh beginning would be helpful?
     
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    It was an answer to a question
     
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    Can you provide the link to where you copied these numbers?

    Thanks
     
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    Where do you come by this claim? Can you provide some data to support it?

    Those numbers were basically the same as they were in 2016

    https://city.milwaukee.gov/ElectionResults1717/2016/November-8.htm

    and 2012

    https://city.milwaukee.gov/ElectionResults1717/20121/November-6-2012.htm

    and 2008.

    https://city.milwaukee.gov/200824877/November42008.htm


    Seems that winning by large margins is not rare at all.
     
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    If there were any evidence that it was true, then it would be worthy of discussion. There is none. At all. There is no evidence of any kind of mass voter fraud. I'm sorry that this is inconvenient, but the burden of proof is on the side peddling fringe conspiracy theories. No one is obligated to play make believe that such claims have merit. If you are going to claim there is any merit to the idea that there was a massive conspiracy on this level, and which would have had to include Republican officials/Trump supports, then that's your job. It is up to you to prove there is some kind of merit. Until then, I'm sorry, but such fringe claims deserve about as much attention as those who claim that the lunar landing was fake, that the Holocaust didn't happen, or that Bush planned 9/11. And the excuse is always the same, for all of these maniac conspiracy theories: "Well, can't we just investigate?" You are free to investigate. As are others. Come to us when you actually have something. Until then, no, you aren't entitled to the credulity of rational thinkers and you aren't entitled to millions of tax dollars to investigate your baseless claims.
     
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    Why the fear to do it?
     
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    Nobody fears it, we do not do it the same reason we do not have a top to bottom review of if men really landed on the moon or if the earth is really round and not flat...both of which have more evidence than widespread voter fraud
     
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    Most of this was either already covered by basic canvassing and/or was never based on any kind of legitimate claim in the first place. Why the fear to engage in basic reasoning skills? Why th fear of providing evidence? Why the fear of being questioned? Why the snowflake demands that claims be investigated without evidence? We all know why.
     
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    Why the reluctance?
    There has never been a really top to bottom investigation. Nothing is off the table. Democrats complain about making it too hard to vote. Investigate. Top to bottom. Everything.

    If the democrats don't want to do this, then they should not be complaining about Georgia.
     
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    the same reason we do not have a top to bottom review of if men really landed on the moon or if the earth is really round and not flat

    Sure there has. There have been many.

    The SOS of Kansas was given broad power to hunt down voter fraud after he told their legislature he would find widespread voter fraud if they just gave him the power.

    So they did and...and he found a few isolated cases, nothing more

    Why should we waste time and money on something just because you people are sore losers?
     
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