You seem to be implying that I don't believe planes hit the towers. That's not the case at all. DeBunkers have a way of putting words into the mouths of those they disagree with. I believe that qualifies as a "straw man" argument. Otherwise I would have to say that you are making unwarranted assumptions. So you believe that Hussein was born in the US. What makes you think that? [video=youtube;GnCIVeX0Ukc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnCIVeX0Ukc[/video]
It's a far different matter with the EU. I'm sure this vision will get perverted too just like the American one but it's a long way until then. For now, the EU is what it says it is and I believe them overall. It's a young political entity. Its roots lay in something different and its short history is justifiable. One day it will surely tend to be just as corrupt but it's a good trade, if you have a new superpower to counterbalance China and the US, so that the 3 would keep each other at bay, just like US and USSR did in the past.
The E.U. and the countries that make it up are constantly in a state of Monetary Conflict and cannot seem to agree to anything. The U.K. understood that and it is the reason why they did not convert their monetary system. Germany and France in particular were JUST DROOLING hoping that the E.U. would elect a President and become a United States of Europe which I personally don't think is a bad idea as perhaps such a creation will prevent Europeans from starting another World War....but that went down the tube as well. The facts are many E.U. states still hold on to their individuality to the extent they WILL NEVER accept being citizens of a single nation. The French hate the Brits...the Greeks hate the Turks....the Spanish resent the Portuguese who have a very close relationship with the U.S.....EVERYONE does not fully trust the Germans....and a person could paint the Sistine Chapel before the E.U. leadership could make any Military decision as in the end it always comes down to...."Well...what are the AMERICANS saying?" AboveAlpha
Not anymore. A fiscal union has been signed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_union What exactly do you mean by hate? I don't think this is true, not in a real sense. And the Turks are not Europeans. Most oppose their entry anyway.
First of all....is the U.K. changing the Pound over to the Euro? I didn't think so. Secondly....Turkey is part of Europe Geographically and the FACT you are replying and posting to me in a RACIST MANNER.....IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!! Europeans....and I have been to EVERY EUROPEAN COUNTRY....including Russia...as it is part of Europe....I KNOW that EXTREME RACISM....HATRED....AND RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL ISSUES EXIST IN THE EXTREME. It will be more than a CENTURY before we see a true United States of Europe as European's still have a lot of growing up to do. AboveAlpha
They are a bunch living out of touch and that continues to hurt them. As a people they are among the ones with the poorest understanding of today's world realities. Their isolated position could be one explanation. Scotland will hold a referendum on independence this autumn. One main reason is that they want to be with the EU.
Not to be disrespectful but you are from Romania...OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE IN THE E.U.!!! LOL!!! Understand....as I stated I think the idea of a United States of Europe would be a GOOD THING. I have been all over and yes....I have been to Romania....and Romania suffered LONG under the murderous reign of Nicolae Ceaușescu. Romania although having a proud people is very back water and the Romanian people want most of all to ensure that they will NEVER AGAIN....have to live under the influence of Russians. But personally....I just do not see a United States of Europe existing for some time. Reasons? Political and Cultural Divisions. Racism and in particular Economic and Cultural Racism against countries like Romania and other former Soviet Block nations. If you think that France and Germany are going to allow Romania and say Turkey to have EQUAL FOOTING AND REPRESENTATION within a United States of Europe....you are kidding yourself. AboveAlpha
Let me tell you what the WORLD REALITY really is....and I am not saying this from some angle of Patriotism or Pride...I am saying it because it is a FACT. The WORLD REALITY is that NOTHING GOES ON either Militarily or Economically....Until it is RUN BY THE UNITED STATES. This is even true for Russia as Putin as much of a Pain in the Ass he is...knows full well that Russia depends upon Trade with the E.U. and the United States and without such trade and without the United States which allowed Russia to become part of the G-8 when Russia had NO BUSINESS ECONOMICALLY being allowed to participate...Putin knows he can make all the speeches and power consolidations he wants at home but as far as the United States is concerned....Russia is a $2.2 Trillion Economy compared to a $17.7 Trillion U.S. Economy and Russia is no longer even close to being a Military threat anymore. The U.K. which has massive investments in the United States as the U.S. is the Worlds Largest Manufacturer....the U.K. is much more comfortable and feels more secure working closely with the U.S. than it does working with the E.U. China....having a population of 1.7 Billion People as it under reports it's population by almost 400 Million people to get Human Rights groups off it's ass as I have also been to China several times and poverty in the Chinese Rural areas is unbelievable!!! China has 1.7 Billion people to the U.S. 317 Million People yet China generates only $6 Trillion with almost 6 TIMES as many people as the U.S. 317 Million People generating $17.7 Trillion. That means there is a HELL of a lot of poverty in China and I have seen it. AboveAlpha
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced it was the ZOMBIE Cabal. Everyone knows the OBL was a zombie (that was why they shot him in the head and dumped his body at sea), so maybe you're closer to the truth than you think.
Bin Laden was dead a long time before that. Whatever body they dumped in the ocean wasn't Bin Ladens. If they had Bin Laden they would have brought him to the states to end all doubt. If you think they did what they say they did to "respect Islamic traditions" then you are a bigger fool than the one you're acting like. And if you think all those Seals were on the same helicopter which crashed and killed them all because of a coincidence, then you still have to make that mathematically square with the other thousand odd "coincidences" associated with the 9/11 false flag attack. The naivety of some people is astounding. But what can you expect from someone who says he believes in Zombies?
I'm not concerned with whether the EU is harmonious or not. What concerns me is the concentration of all power into a central location where it can be administered by an extreme minority. If every European nation can be brought under one roof, and North and South American continents likewise, then what is to prevent the entire world from being governed by one central body? Everybody yacks about the virtues of diversity, yet they lack the sense and foresight to see that when they mix everyone into the same basket all they will succeed in doing is destroying diversity, because then the races will mix and the cultures will become a mish mash of nothing in particular. This move towards homogenizing the racial composition of the world, will only work to isolate the Cohanim while the tendency towards centralizing all governmental power will make it easily controlled by them. If you think the Jews are going to give up their "Chosen-hood" for the sake of multiculturalism and diversity then you are a fool. The only cultures they intend to sacrifice on that alter is everyone elses!
We've already been, for 7 years now. And in the first years of membership we contributed to the EU budget with 1 billion euros each year while using only 200 to 400 million a year of EU structural funds. Please don't be another one, please don't say such stuff like 'you are from Romania so it figures' because you figure nothing or little. The country brought a substantial contribution to the Union. When were you in Romania? 20 years ago? In the years leading to the crisis we've been doubling our GDP every two years. Things here change very fast. from year to year. Read about the new treaty to be adopted in 2014: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treati...C_fiscal_and_political_union_for_the_eurozone http://godourlight.info/?p=864 It has been announced as early as 2012 in the State of the Union Address 2012 where president Barroso explicitly described the vision for a federal Europe. It was a detailed draft for this vision and announced the federal treaty. Stop reading British newspapers.
The world reality is that there are countless civilian deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq as a result of US war and that we in Europe were used like pawns to back up the US in the Middle East. Some British even seem proud of that which is so silly. You lecture me about my country being poor which is true yet your beloved Bush administration has Romanian troops backing up in Afghanistan even today. And now USA builds its latest military facility in Romania, the antimissile shield. My country poor? Yes... Hospitals, schools doing very bad. You know how much my country has spent in 13 years of war? Where is your morality?
I trust their word as reported by the world press. Is this irrefutable? Nope. But to prove that 9/11 was an inside job to me you will need more than accusations and and compelling evidence... you will need irrefutable proof. Why should I trust the truthers over the governments story? I default to occam's razor here. As soon as the truthers present irrefutable proof will be the day I will join you in condemnation of the government. I mean lets take point 2 of the OP. Building 7 is reported as going down before it went down. So am I to believe that the government orchestrated an attack against its own populace but then leaked that building 7 had collapsed before it did? Only an idiot would leak that building 7 had fallen when it obviously had not and the misreport can just as easily be contributed to a mistake in the press pool. Its things like this that make taking the conspiracy theory seriously difficult.
Why cant truthers give it up? There "beliefs" have been debunked many times..do they still think the planes were holograms?
No we don't. That is a straw man created by the Zionist propagandists and disinformation machine in order to discredit the 9/11 truth movement. If you grant yourself the license to speak for everyone else then it should cause you no consternation in the future the next time someone else decides to stick words into your mouth. That's unless you are one of those kind of people who believe in the idea that "fair play" is a rule that should only be applied to others. The Jews are like this. According to their religion they believe they are entitled to lie and break oaths and promises to others, including their so called "allies". Nevertheless they become as incensed as anyone whenever someone manages to pull the wool over their eyes with a few well placed lies. And that's no small feat to do over a people who are so accustomed and therefore familiar with the technique.
No it's not....It's just one story in a long list of fantastical tales troothers have come up with............Come on,be an adult,become one with the truther nuttiness...
Do you really? http://www.dbs2000ad.com/Characteristics-of-Controlled-Demolition.html The idea is that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Any duck who didn't want to be identified as a duck would probably take measures to disguise himself. No. Not exactly. What you are to "believe", or at least admit the possibility or probability, as the case may be, is that a limited faction of people all worked together to accomplish this. Some of those people worked within the US government. Some did not. Most probably worked in behalf of the Israeli government. Others may have been hired help chosen from different sectors of society. Some of those may have not even suspected the roles they were playing but were rather just following orders, more or less oblivious to the big picture. You cannot deny this as being possible of US and Israeli operatives (possibly members of the "Russian" mob as well). Why? Because in order to comply with the Kosher account of 9/11 you have to assert all of the same operations to the Arabs and their supporters. You don't question those capabilities do you? You just think it is more plausible to believe that a hand full of Arabs could circumvent the entire combined intelligence forces of the US and Israel and still do an end run on airport securities, NORAD, and the normal measures employed by civilian air traffic control. On top of all that you presume to believe a host of other other details which ought rightly to be considered improbable. In other words, your imagination is willing to jump through all sorts of hoops and preform all sorts of contortions in order to accept what the mainstream media says about everything and all the stilted explanations offered by DeBunkers in order to explain away a host of improbable and very unlikely details. The survival of several passports belonging to as many "terrorists" at different crash sites where practically everything else was consumed in a massive fireball is just ONE such example. Then you have to figure how many days of the week in a year that both Larry Silverstein, his children, and other implicated Zionist collaborators were at their usual posts in the WTC buildings and other attack sites EXCEPT for the day of 9/11. Figuring the odds on that matter is a very simple one indeed. Even a penny pitching kid could do that. Now you have to multiply those odds fraction by fraction against all the other odds which could be calculated to determine the likelihood of a particular event and then see how vanishingly small the likelihood of all of them occurring on the same day would be. In a court of law, even a murder case, the jury is admonished to render a verdict, based on the likelihood of the event BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. A conviction does NOT require an absolute proof in the sense in which you are trying to establish. If every action which humans preform required a decision based upon absolute certainty, ie one in which not the most infinitesimal chance is removed, then no one would ever do anything. Many men have gone to the gas chamber on far less evidence that that which exists for 9/11, indicating FOREKNOWLEDGE, OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE, and CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. Any person whose mind is truly open would be forced to this conclusion if they studied all the information available on the subject. Any person who believe in the intrinsic value of the truth, irrespective of political gains, would also ADMIT it. A cute kitty cannot change the fact.
Yeah, except there is no evidence of a controlled demolition...only the information you lack the brains to understand or grasp.
Thing is,YOU aren't that person.you just stumble along in your little bigoted truther world whining,'Come on,look at all the evidence..Can't you SEE?' It's sad,really....and more than just a little insulting
It should be obvious to anyone who has followed this thread for long or others like it that is DeBunkers who avoid confronting the facts. If this wasn't true, then they would have no difficulty in giving straight answers to a series of questions. They never do. The reason why is that logically the conclusion they will be driven to is the one which they perpetually dodge. It isn't that THEY themselves will be forced to that conclusion, because if THEY had a brain in their heads they would see it as plainly as I do. But unlike them, I will not attempt to convince others that they do not have any. On the contrary, I'm sure they do. This is why they have no excuse. What they really are trying to avoid is the possibility that some passers by who have hitherto been denied the necessary information to be able to form an educated opinion will reach the same conclusion that I and others like myself have already reached, ie that there is all the evidence necessary to convince anyone, BEYOND the shadow of a REASONABLE doubt that there indeed was FOREKNOWLEDGE, CONSPIRACY to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE, and CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS in the body of evidence associated with 9/11. They have taken it upon themselves to seek out instances where this is demonstrated and then distract, divert, besmirch, deny and use every means available to them to prevent as many people as possible from coming to this realization. What earthly reason they have for devoting so much time and energy to "debunking" something that no "sane person with a brain" could possibly believe in is a question which they have failed to answer. The motives of "truthers" shouldn't require much explanation beyond demonstrating the point which they are attempting to make widely known. The motive of DeBunkers could only be to defend the perpetrators of 9/11 or the Zionist Organizational Government which signed on to it. - - - Updated - - - I see a bunch of disingenuous prevaricators.
You are taking my posts PERSONALLY....I post facts and I make predictions based upon the data. You seem to keep forgetting I AM IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF A UNITED STATES OF EUROPE....I think it would be a GOOD THING. Do I think it is going to happen anytime soon? NO. WHY? Well...regardless of attempts by Germany and France to build a U.S.E....and as you have detailed the coming economic and monetary treaties and agreements that are being signed.....the WEALTHY EUROPEAN NATIONS are going to USE THE POOR EUROPEAN NATIONS....and the will NOT allow countries like Romania to have either proper or fair representation in an E.U. Government nor will they be likely to want to give up power. The United States is VERY DIFFERENT that what is planned to be a United States of Europe. First of all the United States has 50 States and many of these states are much larger in area that entire European Nations and have much Larger Economies. As an example....the SINGLE STATE OF CALIFORNIA BY ITSELF....has a larger economy than France, Russia, U.K. Italy...etc. And if California was a country unto itself it would be listed as the #5 Economy in the World behind #4 Germany #3 Japan #2 China and #1 The United States. The State of Texas would be listed as the Worlds # 9 Largest Economy and #10 India #11 Canada #12 Australia #13 Spain #14 Mexico...etc. The State of New York would be #15 Worlds Largest Economy and #16 South Korea #17 Indonesia #18 Netherlands #19 Turkey....etc. Romania has an economy just a bit smaller than the U.S. State of Oklahoma....a U.S. State with a population of 3.85 Million People and a land area of 69,898 sq mi. By comparison....Romania has a population of 20,121,641 People and a land area of 92,043 sq m...thus Romania is about 24% larger in land area that Oklahoma....and Romania has about 5 1/4 Times the population of Oklahoma. Oklahoma is ranked the #30 U.S. State Economy....so Romania which has an economy a bit smaller than Oklahoma would be ranked #31 between #30 Oklahoma and #32 Iowa. Do you SEE where I am going here? Now here is the thing....no matter how much money the economy of any U.S. State generates....the manner by which each state is represented in the U.S. Congress in both House and Senate is this way. Each state no matter how powerful economically gets 2 Senators representing each state in the U.S. Senate....thus there are 100 Senators 2 from each state and the Vice President of the United States Presides over the Senate and can vote as number 101. In the U.S. House of Representatives each state is broken down in land and population into Congressional Districts thus a state that has a LARGER POPULATION....will have more Congressional Districts and thus more U.S. Congressmen from a more populous state than a state with a smaller population. Thus my State of Massachusetts with over 7 Million People has 9 Congressmen and if Romania was a state having about 20.1 Million People...equal in people to the population of the U.S. State of Florida....Romania would have 27 Congressmen to represent Romania ....and of course Romania would also have 2 Senators like every U.S. State does. When FEDERAL LAWS are created as each state has the right to create their own laws as long as they do not conflict with the U.S. Constitution...a BILL they must be brought before the U.S. Congressional House of Representatives proposing a LAW. The House of Representatives will then debate the law whether they think it is a good idea or not...and the a vote will take place....if a 2/3rds Majority passes the Bill....it get's presented to the U.S. Senate where Romania would have 2 Senators like every other state. Then it get's voted on again and if it passes it get''s sent to the desk of the President of the United States to either sign into Law or the President can Veto the Bill....however even if a President veto's a Bill it is possible for a Veto to be over turned with a revote and a 2/3rds Majority in the Senate. NOW.....if Romania became of state in a United States of Europe....unlike Romania being a state of the United States of America....the U.S.E. does not and will not allow Poor Romania to have ANYWHERE NEAR THE VOTING POWER OR REPRESENTATION ROMANIA WOULD HAVE AS A MEMBER OF THE U.S.A. The plan and direction of the U.S.E. is being dictated and determined by wealthy European Nations like France and Germany. AboveAlpha
