100 Murders, Suicides, Mysterious Deaths--Strange Fate Of Those Who Saw Kennedy Shot

Penn Jones Jr. is a solemn, sober man. This is a good link for those who are interested, like me, of the suspicious deaths associated with those witnesses who saw Kennedy shot. Mark Lane, a friend of President Kennedy and author of Rush to Judgment and Plausible Denial, vouches for Mr. Jones

http://www.maebrussell.com/Disappearing Witnesses/Disappearing Witnesses.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5JGfxIxFk

https://www.google.com/search?q=mar...Q_AUoAmoVChMIs97cvJi2xwIVBY0NCh0ydQCV#imgrc=_

 

Jones may be sober and solemn but he is also a fraud

Jone's work into the " mystery deaths of those close to Kennedy had been crushed and debunked for a long time now and ironically he provided the evidence that is claims were fraudulent.

For example Jones states some outrageous figure that the odds of these people dying as they did is in the trillions to one.The strange part is that unlike any high school student who is required to show their work when performing math Jones can never and never has stated how he calculated these odds.

Odds of probability are not mysterious they are in fact a straight forward exercise in mathematics. In 5 card draw poker we can calculate the odds of getting a specific hand such as a flush or straight or full house because we know all of the factors needed to calculate those odds. As in 52 cards, 4 suits, 13 cards per suit. Thoroughly shuffle them and randomly draw 5 and we can tell you the odds of getting a certain kind of hand hence the rankings for poker hands.

Jones provided no such math for his calculations he just said it and refuses to explain how he did it. In addition the experts on such matters clearly refute everything he has to say and those experts are insurance companies. Insurance companies which sell life insurance have actuary table which clearly refute the over all claims of Jones. They are experts because that is how they make money. They can sell cheap life insurance and make money knowing that it is unlikely to pay out because they know the odds of dying of specific causes.

Nothing in Jone's work violates the probabilities of people dying of such causes.

In addition Jones violates basic rules of science by moving the goal posts and lowering/raising the bar as needed to support his case.

For example he claims all of these people were closely connected to the assassination. Ok what constitutes a close connection?

Does a lifestyle section reporter from the Chicago tribune who never went to Dallas but only wrote a short bio on Jack Ruby count as a close connection?
I don't see how but that is one of his alleged victims. In actuality that reporter was killed by her husband in a jealous rage after being caught cheating which is not a mystery and not abormal.

What about Chief Justice Earl Warren? Certainly he was closely connected but in fact he died over a decade later at the age of 83 later and there was nothing mysterious about his death he was an old man.

Those two examples are not exceptions they are the norm for Penn Jone's work.

He constantly shifts what constitutes a " close connection " and he outright lies about causes of death which he claims are mysterious such as Judge Joe B brown who was the judge for the Jack Ruby trial.

Judge Brown was very overweight, had asthma and other health problems. he actually had to stop and rest when walking up a flight of stairs yet he is listed as a " mystery death'

For that matter Jones includes jack Ruby whose death was in no way mysterious, caused by a pulmonary embolism.

Jones work was clearly meant to support various conspiracy theories by implying that an unusual number of people have been silenced by death.

His work is a failure however and fraud

 

WTF??? Jones was quoting The London Times (100,000 trillion to 1); check out that documentary by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jack Anderson (he also quotes it by name and read the latest edition of Jim Mars' book Crossfire (he also quotes it by name). Mobster Sam Giancana while under government protection was killed right before he was to testify. George De Morenshildt "comitted suicide" it is said. He also was about to testify. He had confided to everyone that was afraid of being murdered. His daughter said it is impossible that he would kill himself. People who afraid of being killed do not then kill themselves. I'm quoting Michael Parenti by the way. Another mobster Johnny Roselli also was murdered. Others have met a similar fate. You really haven't looked into this thing very deeply, have you? Stop being a dilettante detective and look deeper into this thing!

 

I have looked at it more deeply than you.

Just because someone is paranoid and afraid of being killed does not mean they will not kill themselves sorry your claim to the opposite is silly and unreasonable.

Mobsters being killed is not unusual regardless of the timing.

On the other hand endless conspiracy theorists claiming to have solved the crime die of old age.

You also failed to address why Jones includes such people as Earl Warren.

The man is full of BS plain and simple.

Wait long enough and everyone was alive when kennedy was killed will be dead. Jones merely played a variation of the same game.

Try researching rather than blindly following along with what someone tells you

 

Mobsters getting killed is an occupational hazard,no conspiracy there.....Morenshildt had been committed with severe delusions and depression,none there either.

As I said,go looking for a conspiracy,you'll find one

 

All right where did Oswald learn the Russian language? Posner says Oswald was of below average intelligence and dyslexic and virtually in the same breath Posner also says Oswald learned the Russian language on his own. Haaaaa! Try learning the Russian language on your own. Good luck!

 

Anyone can if they spend the time to do so.

Sorry you feel it is beyond your grasp but a loner with no friends like Oswald who spent years cloistered in his room reading library books can in fact learn other languages.

This does not constitute a lie whatsoever and is quite plausible sorry you fail again

 

Oswald --- a loner. Let's see he has been linked to David Ferrie, Guy Bannister, Clay Shay, Jack Ruby, his wife Marina Oswald, et al. How many fiends and associates does one need to have not to be characterized as a loner?

 

I believe it.

 

He was never linked to Clay Shaw , Guy Bannister, or Jack Ruby in any way through any credible evidence.

Lot's of loners get married and make brief acquaintances such as Roby to Ferrie.

Oswald dropped out of the ninth grade was not very smart and spent most of his teen years holed up in his room reading. That is generally what a loner is you are attempting in silly fashion to define it as one who is absolutely isolated.

Like many conspiracy nuts you come up with your own standards which you insist are accurate they are not however.

Oswald was a loner who yes still knew some people and yes he learned russian by himself that is simple fact and nothing disputes it.

Argueing that you FEEL it is wrong is not evidence

 

Let's just focus on Guy Bannister since he is the easiest I can remember. Read Anthony Summer's book Conspiracy. He did investigative footwork by interviewing Bannister's secretary Delphine Roberts as well as others. She remembered Oswald very well indeed. She told Anthony Summers Oswald came in to Bannister's 544 Camp Street (which was stamped on the Pro-Castro leaflets Oswald distributed) and was associated and was in frequent company with Bannister and David Ferrie. Now Anthony Summer's book has book blurbs by such mainstream leading lights as Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Prof. Blakey, etc.

 

Guy Bannister's office was never at 544 Camp Street his office Address was on Lafayette Street. The confusion comes from the fact that they were in the same structure or large building which rented space for many businesses and was on the corner of the two streets. Blue prints of the building and statements by those in te know such as janitors who work there prove that there was no connection between the two locations beyond being in the same building they were on different floors with separate entrances and exits and with no connecting corridors or doors. You actually had to leave the building and walk around the corner to get from one to the other.

The is a slightly odd geographic coincidence but nothing more. 544 Camp street was an office location where Oswald was never known or seen to have entered. It was however the office location for a private political organization for anti Castro Cuban expatriates. Oswald was known to have mimicked or copied things he read in spy novels. For example he told officials at the Cuban embassy in Mexico that he had gathered information about such anti Castro groups in the USA and was willing to trade this intel in exchange for being granted permission to immigrate into Cuba. The most plausible explanation for the stamp on the flyers was an attempt to discredit the anti Castro groups by linking them to his Fair Play for Cuba Committee flyers. This would make them look like double dealers or bring attention from people they did not want. Either way it had no known effect. Castro's regime refused to grant permission for Oswald to move to Cuba probably based on advice from the KGB who they were in close contact with. The KGB knew about Oswald from his stay in Russia and considered him a harmless nut but basically a worthless pain in the neck.

Delphine Roberts is a completely discredited and worthless witness. She never hinted at any sighting of OSwald in Bannister's presence until prompted and coaxed by conspiracy theorists desperate to build strange links. She was also a proven delusional nut who described encounters with extraterrestrials who abducted her and had sex with her. She also insisted she was the reincarnation of Jesus and was writing the third testament or second new testament of the holy bible. All at the same time that she reported seeing Oswald and Bannister together when the idea was suggested by conspiracy theorists.

This is basically part of the conspiracy theory involving various characters in New Orleans which was manufactured by Jim garrison who was a lifelong conspiracy nut.

None of it has ever been supported by any real evidence and Garrison failed miserably to prove his theory in court.

Bannister was a career FBI agent who rose to the position of SAC of the Chicago office of the FBI and who worked briefly as Chief of Police in New Orleans after he retired. When he was let go from his position of chief of police he settled down to live on his pension and run a private investigation business. He lived in the same city as Oswald but was from a completely different background. No evidence links him to Oswald other than the worthless testimony from nut jobs like Delphine Roberts. Sure in a big city with a large population such as NO there is always the possibility of some connection but that is incidental and means nothing. Bannister and OSwald were never linked.

 

David ferrie was also never linked with Bannister but in fact served in the same Civil Air Patrol unit which Oswald served briefly in as a teenager. Some evidence exists that they knew each other in CAP but that is all.

Another problem with all of this idiotic theory is that Neither Ferrie or Bannister had any connection with JFK's death so even if Oswald was associated with these people it is irrelevant.

 

Wird was Oswald didn't learn Russian that well,and had a difficult time living in Russia,because of that

 

Funny how many people who are in some way connected with the Kennedy assassination are "delusional nuts." One would think it became contagious. How about this "delusional nut"--- Prof. Michael Kurtz who sighted Oswald and Bannister in a coffee shop chatting. He also saw Oswald, and Bannister together at a university in Louisiana?? Other Professors he knows also testify spotting them at the university.
Is he a "delusional nut, too." Come on man stop spreading nonsense! Please! Enough already! Here is the excerpt:

Historian Dr. Michael L. Kurtz was a student at Louisiana State
University in New Orleans during the 1962-63 school year. In 1958,
LSU-NO, now the University of New Orleans, became one of the first
racially integrated universities in the South. One of the most vocal
opponents of that decision was W. Guy Banister. It is now common
knowledge that Banister recruited LSU-NO students to spy on fellow
students and faculty members, and Banister himself made frequent visits
to the campus to make his feelings known.

One day in May 1963, Michael Kurtz attended an informal meeting in an
unoccupied LSU-NO classroom where Guy Banister debated a number of
students on the issue of integration. Banister was introduced by an LSU
student named George Higganbothan. Kurtz knew of Banister; he'd seen him on campus on perhaps a half-dozen occasions to this and would see him a few times more. Guy Banister brought a young man to the meeting with him;
Banister introduced the young man as Lee Oswald. Banister debated
integration with the students, arguing for a return to full segregation
and criticizing the group for attending an integrated school. While
Banister tangled with the pro-integration collegiates, Oswald seemed to
fade into the background, and -- to the best of Kurtz' recollection --
said nothing. "If he did," Dr. Kurtz says, "I didn't hear him" (Author's
interview of October 5, 199.

George Higgenbothan told Kurtz that Oswald and Banister made a second
visit to LSU, however, and the second time it was the alleged leftist
OSWALD who argued passionately against desegregation (Interview with
Michael L. Kurtz, December 2, 199. Higgenbothan had told the Orleans
Parish DA's office in 1967 that he indeed had known Oswald (Garrison
files).

Kurtz saw Banister and Oswald together once more, when he was working
that summer for the New Orleans Times-Picayune, located across the street
from the Newman Building at 544 Camp Street and 531 Lafayette. One day in July or August, Kurtz walked across the street to Mancuso's, the coffee
shop on the first floor of the Newman Building, to get a cup of coffee.
Guy Banister and Lee Harvey Oswald, just the two of them, were sitting at
a table together. Banister recognized Kurtz and waved, and Kurtz waved
back (Ibid.).

After the assassination, Kurtz informed the FBI of Oswald's connection to
Banister. "They didn't seem too interested," he says. Kurtz wrote a book
about the assassination in 1978, Crime of the Century: The Kennedy
Assassination from a Historian's Perspective, in which he mentioned the
incident in passing. (The book was reissued in 1993 with some new
material; the Oswald-Banister incidents are discussed on pages xxxviii-xl
of the introduction.)

During our interview, Kurtz referenced the network of spies that Banister
riddled the campus with; he pointed out to me that George Higganbothan is
mentioned in Hinckle and Turner's book, which indeed he is: "George
Higganbothan, one of Banister's collegiate undercover agents, recalled
that when he kidded his boss about sharing a building with people
papering the streets with leftist literature, Banister snapped, "Cool it
-- one of them is mine" (Hinckle and Turner, Deadly Secrets, 234-35;
citing several 1967 interviews with George Higganbothan). The House
Select Committee on Assassinations confirmed that Banister investigated
students at LSU for the anti-Catsro Cuban Revolutionary Council, with
whom he shared an office for several years (10 HSCA 127).


http://www.c-span.org/video/?198378-1/book-discussion-jfk-assassination-debates

http://whokilledjfk.net/guy_bannister.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoyJiRrgpWQ

http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Assassina...&qid=1440099924&sr=1-1&keywords=michael+kurtz

 

It is not funny at all.

There is no objective evidence of any sort which supports any of the conspiracy theoried.

There is a mountain of physical evidence proving Oswald was the lone killer.

Much of this evidence also proves such conspiracy theories to be implausible or even impossible.

This leaves conspiracy theorists with no alternative but to dig up witnesses.

Since almost all of the credible sane and reliable witnesses testified to nothing which supports a conspiracy it leaves only the professional liars, looks and idiots to support lame theories.

 

Great thread, ignore the trolls. You seem to know quite a bit about this and be of similar mind to myself on what happened and who was responsible. You should look into the deaths of Dorothy Kilgallon (the only person to ever have a private interview with Ruby after his arrest) and Mary Pinchot Meyer (estranged wife of senior CIA staffer Cord Meyer and mistress of JFK).

I have the Summers book and have watched various lectures Parenti has given, you know your stuff you are bang on with everything I've read in this thread.

 

No it is not bang on much like your posts it is fictional.

Dorothy Kilgalen was a journalist during Ruby's trial. During a recession in the trial she and several other reporters approached the defense table and began firing questions at Ruby.

This was her only interview with Ruby and it was not private. She never interviewed him in jail.

She was merely jumping on the conspiracy band wagon to revive her waning career.

 

Yeah it's good to exchange posts with someone who is open-minded and informed on this subject. Yeah, I heard about Dorothy and Cord Meyer's wife. Did you read CIA agent Howard Hunt's article on Rolling Stone. He implicates Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis and Cord Meyer and William Harvey (also CIA) among others in killing Kennedy. He exonorates himself which I am skeptical about, to tell you the truth. Howard Hunt was one of the shadiest guys in modern American history as that movie Nixon (by Oliver Stone) clearly shows.

 

How do you define someone as open minded when they refuse to address or discuss anything contrary to what they believe?

The conspiracy theorists are the most closed minded of all in this debate.

You should also read more of his posts. He routinely contradicts himself and proves himself wrong with th very sources he cites. Not exactly well informed.

No offense but you seem to selectively pick and choose what to believe without considering the other side and that is also not well informed.

 

By 'open minded',you mean someone who agrees with you...not happening.

 

"The Zapruder film was edited. JFK shot first." - Ludlow Lamonsoff

 

oh yeah Penn Jones has done the best research out there more than anyone for sure.

 

His research has been reduced and his conclusions proven false.

 

Go away troll...or provide links to your claims