13,000 died needlessly at 14 worst NHS trusts

Hey! I got a great idea. Let's have the same healthcare system has England.

Because government knows best.

13,000 died needlessly at 14 worst NHS trusts

 

I have been saying all along it's whats Obama Care is bringing to America. Remember folks we told ya so.

 

We told ya so

My favorite line ever

 

If Obama Care is fully implemented make sure your life insurance is full paid. Who would want their wife and the Pool Boy to have to wait to celebrate?

 

Are these numbers high or low? Or are we expected to believe our hospitals have none?

 

This is part of the ongoing Tory attack on the NHS. They want to break it up into privately owned insurance funded hospitals as in Obamacare.

 

I find it laughable that when something fails to live up to the standards set, then that must mean the whole idea is bad. How about we hold medical centers accountable, and punish them when they don't live up to the standards that have been set, rather then throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

 

Some hospitals show higher death rates than others. Some hospitals have a higher number of poor, or elderly, or a high number of traffic accidents in their catchment areas. Some hospitals have private hospitals in their area, who transfer patients in crisis to the NHS emergency services, where they die. This is just another bean-counter stick with which the NHS is being beaten down.

 

"•There are 700,000 physicians in the United States.
•There are 120,000 accidental deaths in the United States caused by physicians every year, and the accidental death percentage per physician is 17.1%.
•There are 80 million gun owners in the United States.
•There are 1,500 accidental deaths from guns every year, regardless of age group, and the accidental death percentage per gun owner is 0.001875%."

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...d-by-doctors-than-accidentally-killed-by-guns

 

Yet again. How will "Obamacare" cause failures in hospital management?

 

But it will be universally bad at least. And this assumes the large federal bureaucracy will be as efficient as the UKs tiny little government. Go to a government run clinic, they exist, spend 5 minuted there. No one who does this will think government health care in America is a good idea.

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Price fixing. That is what the government does, and like every other industry it causes shortages. Manpower is shifted towards paperwork filing, and away from medicine.

 

You also have lower survival rates then we do in every major category of treatment; despite being richer and more educated per capita. Dear socialists, you can't take it with you, why not let people buy the treatment they want without being forced to buy into your poorly run healthcare system?

 

Just how saveable were many of those "needless death" patients? Is it worth the high expenditure to prolong their lives for a few more months? I refer you to the following article:

http://www.businessweek.com/stories...siness-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

And then there is the fact that 12 people die "needlessly" (using the same criteria) every hour in the USA among the uninsured, and several people (no official number is available) die needlessly among the underinsured. This doesn't even take into account the people who go bankrupt trying to stave off death.

 

Yet we live longer than you do at a tenth of the cost, while treating all comers.

 

That doesn't explain failures in hospital management. This issue is about some hospitals in the UK performing much worse than other hospitals in the UK. They're all working within the same system with the same limitations and difficulties so how can that system be the sole cause for this specific issue?

 

that is an excellent point. With Obamacare, which should be renamed Obama-cares, the govt steps in and removes the burden of tough decisions from the families and hands it over to bureaucrats where it belongs. There is nothing worse for a family than to decide that a surgery or treatment which will prolong the life of the mother of 3 for only a year should be conducted. The children will be without their mother in the near future anyway so why burden them with one more year of the love of their mother. Allowing them to get past the mourning, sooner rather than later is the compassionate thing to do. Obama really does care

 

Devoid of a decent profit incentive there is no reason to work as hard as you can, only enough to not get fired. If you have a lot of elderly in a particular hospital that cost more to treat then their care costs, things get lax, management falls behind, too much work for each worker. Price control caused losses accumulate just like any other, to make ends meet service cuts have to be done.

 

A COMPLETE lie. Fell free to document ANY part of this BS from the ACA.

There is NO basis for this claim, and never has been. Any decisions of that type are made by MEDICAL boards from the medical societies (who MAKE money if they give MORE care), and the doctors themselves.

Further, the decisions of that nature are currently performed by insurance companies! Does anyone really think ANYONE would be more vena, indifferent and cruel than insurance company underwriters who have been documented to get bonuses and promotions for the number of refused claims and refused pre-authorizations they do?

 

We treat everyone too, that is a myth. We just pay for it differently.

We have a more diverse population and we are ballsy people who live large. Our medical care is still the best.

1/10th my foot, unless you don't count our size. You spent a fortune recently fighting cancer, and have Poland recovery rates, and they were under the iron curtain not too long ago. Better to live for a few pennies more then die being pound foolish.

 

While the bill doesn't do that it is a horrible thing if it does happen. But if Obamacare is so bad why do you have to lie about it.

 

BS, we DO NOT "treat everyone". I know for myself that if you do not have insurance, there are a huge number of possible treatments that are not even mentioned to you, much less available.

And going to the ER gets you "treated", all right. "Treated" to a generic painkiller or diuretic and sent home with no way to continue any care or get medicine.

And to get Medicaid, you cannot own any car newer than about 12 or 15 years, then you are over the allowed possessions, even if you own NOTHING else, like clothes, dishes, underwear or ANYTHING else. How the heck are you supposed to get to medical appointments?

 

actually, and Palin was correct, they do make end of life decisions for you with Obamacare. And that's fine. The majority of voters re-elected him and thus want the goodness that Obama-cares brings with it

 

Yeah - OK - but if every nation followed suit there would never have to be concern for an over-populated planet.

 

Yet we still have such high recovery rates.., if so many people were not being treated as you claim why would that be the case? If they were just dying on the vine? We also have better and earlier detection rates. So it isn't that. Small things you may have to pay for if self insured.

 

Once again, not a shred of proof for this ridiculous claim.