2013 Second Civil War

I know you didnt address that to me but i will respond.

The Patriot Act was a huge power grab by the Government and is un-constitutional. It goes against everything this country was founded on, freedom.

 

I seem to miss all the threads about gov't spying and holding citizens indefinitely. I know once upon a time there were a few, but no change or civil war broke out over it.

 

I agree. And I'm usually labeled a lib.
While those screaming about being conservative and losing freedoms, actually thought these laws were good for the country. Most of those are spoon fed from talk radio and its TV affiliate.

 

I think the whole current Republican vs Democrat is a shame anyway.

The only man i can think of in the last 20 years who wasnt totally corrupt was Ron Paul.

All these scumbags in Government are mostly Lawyers, they are liars and traitors who grab money and power for themselves.


Which is WHY you dont give the Government so much dam power!

 

I'd like to see where you got your figures on where 50% of the country is illegal, on welfare, get their money from the government or just plain stupid.

For you to opine that they care more about the EBT card and American Idol than the constitution is nothing more then sheer ignorance on your part. Did you know that more then 13 million people are out of work in this country??? Most of the want to work but their are no jobs for all of them; most of them are trying to survive with the basics.

 

Wow, you actually said something that's sort of true. Ok, let's go with this - surely there are far better ways to take down a government than senseless violence. If you can get people to go along with it, why not stop paying taxes? Why not organize a general strike from coast to coast? Now I'm certainly not saying I see the need for such actions, but surely economic pressure would be far more effective, and far more civilized, than trying to fight the most powerful military force the world has ever seen.

 

You think the majority of the people that voted for Obama are smart working English speakers?

Interesting.

 

The Government isnt the Military.

Its not even legal for the Military to kill US citizens.

It would be up to LEO's. IE cops.

 

Not the main point though. How is violence even remotely the best way to promote change in this country?

 

I didnt say it was did I....

Doesnt mean it wont happen, happens ALL the time all around the world.

Do you think America is immune to that?

 

No, but it's asserted by many in threads such as this that guns are needed as a check against a strong national government. I'm merely trying to point out that if there's true popular support for bringing down the government, there are far better ways of doing it.

 

Governments fall all the time friend.

America has a great few hundred years but now we have a country of fat lazy people with little to no common ground.

Governments fall ALL the time, we are no different.

Rome thought they would never fall either.


And YES, the founders most believed whole heartily that armed civilians kept the Government in check.

 

Saddle any institution, government or corporation ( same thing ), with enough unproductive dead weight and debt, and it will fail.


Who on earth brought up using small arms to make a civilian assault on the bastions of Government and the Military?


That's not how you use small arms to topple a Government at all...


To Use small arms to topple a Government, you simply use them to stop paying TAXES to the Government, and IGNORE the Government.


Sooner or later, they'll try to send Tax Collectors out into the streets, THEN the small arms will make a huge difference.


Think the military or the police will take up the cause of protecting the moochers, looters and Government Elite? NOT !


From the Private or Beat Cop, to the General or Chief of Police, they all want the same thing, a paycheck not made of rubber. The security staff and military of any country needs the same thing the Productive Citizenry needs, to keep taxes and the welfare roles low enough to insure they get a paycheck, and the dollars are still worth something.


The Military and the Police have a vested interest in putting down Cloward-Piven, HARD!


They won't join in, at least the military won't, unless some small sub-set of military starts trying to protect the tax collectors and their Tyrant. But if any military or police does step up to aid the Tyrant's tax collectors, the rest of Police or Military will put them down. They have too! The only way they have a long term stable future, is for the socialist parasites to die.


This second American Revolution won't be modeled after the last one, nor after any that has happened before in world history. It will bear some elements of the struggle agaisnst fascist occupied countries of WWII, but it will be largely un-explored territory.


Small arms will be the primary weapons used in the conflict against socialist parasites and their Tyranical Elite Leadership.


The founding fathers understood this, why don't we?


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In the end, no matter what "Other Means" you attempt to employ, before an abusive, corrupt, self-serving group of Government Officials will allow themselves to be "Reformed", they will resort to FORCE to try to stay in power.


In the end, small, person-to-person weapons will always be needed to back up what ever "Other Means" you attempt to employ.


I am not saying that the "Other Means" have no value, they are critical, if you want to avoid simply replacing Tyrant A with Tyrant B.


But that doesn't change the fact that in the end, personal level FORCE will always be required to challenge and limit corrupt government.


The founding fathers knew this! That is why we have a second ammendment.


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Funny they failed to mention that in the 2nd Amendment.....what they DID talk about was "the SECURITY of a Free STATE"....which seems to indicate they needed armed civilians to help protect the STATE.

 

BTW...to our "revolutionaries" out there...

When?

When does your "insurrection" start? You've been talking about it for nearly 3 years now (Oddly, after the Republican Party lost a Presidential election...but not before). You've ramped it up atleast to an "11" on the dial in the last year, but especially the last two months since (again) the Republican Party lost a Presidential election.

So...when does the "revolution" start? "Soon"? Give us a "no later than" date. One we can save...and then re-post here with YOUR name attached to it and a link back to your prediction.

Because if you don't even have the guts to make a prediction on an anonymous blog....it's not likely you're going to grab your deer rifles and 9mms and stomp out of your house to meet up with General Glenn Beck and General Alex Jones as they begin their March to Washington....is it???

 

Violence is far, far, far from the best means of making a positive change in the country.


If fact, you could say that any person or group who attempts to make change first, foremost or only though violence will always end up making thing worse for the majority of any society.


That said, because there will always be somebody who is willing to use violence too quickly, i.e. a Government Tyrant, any type of significant REFORM of corrupt government will always need to be backed by the ability use violence when the opposition gives you no other choice.


You will never make any significant improvement in a corrupt government without the ability to back your "Other Means" with violence.


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How many years since Congress passed a budget?


In the mean time, with the Exective in charge of the budget, how many Trillion$ in new national debt?


In the end, the Military, the Police, the DHS (Maybe, depends on just how many Radicals have been positioned) and the alphabet soup of other Federal Level Law Enforcement...


In the end, they all need a long term responsible and fiscally stable Federal Government.


The Current Adminstration is NOT providing that need!


He is only a KING if you bow to him and do his bidding...


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Aren't you going to look a little silly calling the President a "king"....when he voluntarily leaves office in January 2017???

I mean, first you have to claim a man elected TWICE by majorities in a democratic election is a "king"...then you have to claim a man who leaves that office voluntarily as proscribed by the Constitution is a "king"....

and it's going to come off a bit...odd!?!?!?

 

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Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, acts like a duck, ..... Say? Let's see if it Tastes like a Duck?


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So "kings".... are elected...and then leave office voluntarily under a legaly proscribted "term of office"?!?!?

 

Obama wasn't elected, not in a free and fair election anyway.

 

So are you saying that I should be able to drive an M1 tank to work with an M60 mounted on the front? Or that I should be able to buy an F22 as my own personal means of transportation, fully armed of course with amrams, and daisy cutters?

 

Oh gee. Shocker this coming from the loosing side.

 

Ahhhh....of course not. No person "like him" could get legitimately elected President of "your" country, could they?!?!??!?

Hence your desire for armed overthrow of the government?