2014 Most Notable News: Big Bang Fizzle

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  1. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Did you know that Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years away +/- 3 billion light years?
     
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    +/- 1/32 inch per foot x 6 billion light years = ???
     
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    Since you asked.

    Standard Candle:
    Main Sequence Fitting:
    Cepheid Variable Stars:
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    Only you would think anyone would measure 6 billion light years with a 12 inch ruler.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So...you not only have a problem understanding rational thought, critical thinking, and the scientific method...you do not recognize sarcasm when displayed?

    Dude....perhaps debate is not your forte?
     
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    You don't understand the process. And yet you're so darned certain that it must be wrong. That, sir, is faith, not science.
     
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    Those who religiously glom onto the idea that the Big Bang actually happened despite the lack of proof are just as silly as those who glom onto creation science.
     
  7. Panzerkampfwagen

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    There is a lot of evidence to support the Big Bang.
     
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    BICEP2 being only dust is a possibility but it is a minority view. It is still more likely that it is gravitational waves than dust. What happened is that the window BICEP2 used contains more dust than expected, so the conclusion is not as strong as it used to be. Anyway, we will see soon enough, there are other experiments ongoing that should resolve the question with certainty over next several years.

    Cosmic distances are not measured by triangulation but by analyzing the brightness, distribution and spectrum of the object. Parallax method is only good to about 300-400 light years.

    The fact that NaturalBorn has no idea about this elementary fact should tell you all you need to know about his pseudoscientific conspiracy theories.
     
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    Because of a finite speed of light, cosmology is probably the only science where we literally see the past unfold before our eyes. I mean, at least with evolution you can claim that we werent there to directly observe it (as if that is the only way to acquire knowledge, lol), but not so with cosmology.
     
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    I will "glom onto" the idea that the Big Bang actually happened until someone produces a better explanation for all of the available evidence. That is how science works, no faith required.
     
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    Faith? What blind-faith one must have to believe nothing exploded to create everything.
     
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    Fortunately for science, it doesn't say that anything exploded.
     
  13. Panzerkampfwagen

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    Science is based on evidence. If the evidence suggests that nothing exploded, which isn't what science says anyway, then that's where science will go. That's not faith. However, I don't expect someone with such a low understanding of science to understand this.
     
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    Personally, I think it's a very true observation that I made. Knowledge is so limited, scientific knowledge. Yet the human nature of human beings demand certainty. In most all things. So, we are not ashamed to take a very limited knowledge and then make great claims of certainty. You see it from the people who want to use science to defend their personal beliefs about reality.

    The wisest thing ever uttered was, those that say they know, do not know. If "knowing" is truth. But that will never stop anyone claiming certainty, from a very limited base of knowledge. This is the psychological factor involved, the human nature factor that is even present in beliefs that are supposedly grounded in science You can never take human nature out of it, once you try to use any device to answer the big questions.
     
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    The thing is, the available evidence does not support Deacon Lemaitre's Big Bang theory. It's just a theory that was made up a long time ago by a Catholic Church official. It's all theory, No proof.
     
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    No there isn't. There isn't even any evidence that the universe didn't always exist, let alone any evidence of how it began.
     
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    Background radiation, universe is expanding........ that's not evidence?
     
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    Some people will generalize that because their close circle of acquaintances all believe something to be true, they claim 'everyone' believes it to be true. The worst 'crime' is kids that just barely graduate high school and do not understand the difference between opinion and fact who squeak into college and sit in a classroom under the tutelage of a rabid Christian-hater Darwinist. The instructor indoctrinates the students (like in that recent movie) and will mark points off tests for not answering with the 'church's' doctrine. The student then enters the world with false understanding of science, no critical thinking skills and a hatred of Christians, America and conservative thought. We see them here.
     
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    You see everyone opposed to what you believe as belonging to some Darwinist conspiracy. Seriously, you need to seek professional help. The nonsense you believe can't come from a healthy, rational mind. I worry for you.
     
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    Which is why many cosmologists are working to refine it. And when one of them proposes a hypothesis that works better, it will become the prevailing theory.

    Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. I suggest you learn more about how science works and how it relates to proof.
     
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    Especially considering that Darwin himself was far from anti-Christian or a-religious.
     
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    That's not science, that's called a bandwagon fallacy.


    I happen to be a scientist. I know what is science works.

    I also know that there isn't a shred of evidence that supports the big bang theory.
     
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    What kind of scientist are you? Christian Scientist?
     

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