2020 Democrats have the same immigration policy, Open Borders

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Give me a quote from at least some of the major candidates supporting open borders specifically.
     
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    Please provide a reputable source quoting Castro stating that he supports your "open borders."

    It's yet another lie by Fake Don.

    Here’s what Trump said during a July 1 interview on Fox Business with Maria Bartiromo:

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    "The Democrats want to have no borders!"
    Responding to the president’s claims about Democrats supporting open borders, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said, “No, we do care about the border. We care about protecting our country, but we don’t think we need to protect the border by putting children in cages. We want to be smart and strong not reckless, rash and ruthless in this case.”

    Democrats threw their support behind a bill that would have provided a path to citizenship for so-called Dreamers, but that also sought to “deploy the most practical and effective technology available in order to achieve situational awareness and operational control along the U.S. border” as well as to provide $110 million in grants annually for various border security activities. The bill failed in the Senate.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/calls-to-abolish-ice-not-open-borders/
     
  3. notme

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    I just sourced that Ted Cruz accused him of the same crap you do, and it has been debunked.
    Your source also does not support your claim. You never even bothered to note when he said what you claimed.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    Apparently you can't click on links.

    Top Texas Democrats want to decriminalize unauthorized border crossings

    A trio of Democrats running for top offices in Texas want to decriminalize unauthorized border crossings.

    U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke, who’s challenging Republican Sen. Ted Cruz for his Senate seat, gubernatorial candidate Lupe Valdez, and congressional candidate Veronica Escobar told HuffPost they are in favor of such a move, which the report says would be simpler to implement than abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, as some Democrats have demanded.
     
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    Nowhere does it state that this means everybody can just enter the country. Your article even states that entering illegally means being locked up for 6 months. Wooptido. 6 months of some family in jail, to feed and nurture them, a court that sends them there. It's cheaper to just kick 'm out. And so,.. your claim of this means open borders = nope.

    And I already sourced that right wingers claiming this guy is going for open borders is fake.
    I sourced it, yet you keep on trolling.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    Sorry but your claims are fraudulent. "Your article even states that entering illegally means being locked up for 6 months." That has nothing to do with the policies Beto favors, those are policies he wants eliminated.

    Look, I've long ago proven my point, and your defense boils down to Beto saying no, he doesn't support open borders, therefore he isn't. We've long since passed that point. And the fact you have to bring up irrelevant issues (like current policy) in order to sidetrack the argument means not only that you lost, but you know you lost and can't let go.

    It's over Johnnie.
     
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    You're essentially correct, and I see almost exact parallels between the scenario you've described and the horrifying societal system depicted in George Orwell's masterpiece, "1984".

    Democrat Party leaders as "Inner Party Members"
    Government bureaucrat functionaries as "Outer Party Members"
    The rest of us as the "Proles"

    Essentially, a two-class society, much as what we have seen existing already in nearly every 'shithole' country in the world....
     
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    Honestly, I sense something else at work here... much more 'long-term' and sinister. What you say about 'capitalists' wanting "cheap labor" is true -- and please understand that BOTH Republican and Democrat 'capitalists' have practiced it for decades!

    But, now we're going into a new era in which automation and IT are changing the way that we work. There is less and less need for people to do many tasks... international businesspeople are turning intstead to robotics and computer technology.

    But sure, today, if you need to have a roof or new gutters installed on your house, you can bet it will be done with work-crews that are at least 50% foreigners of one kind or another. They are typically EXCELLENT workers, who know what they're doing, and they work hard! The last thing in the world you want is some bunch of clueless, phone-thumbing Millennials or Gen Z'ers doing ANYTHING to your house! So, we go on hiring 'Pancho' and 'Enrique' to do more and more of our manual labor -- because they're inexpensive, and they're pretty damned good at it!

    But why would any politician want to bring in millions (MILLIONS) of penniless, unskilled, needy peasants who are clearly going to completely sap and drain our welfare systems...? I see only one answer -- so that they'll be converted into 'citizens', and then trade their eventual votes for continuing cradle-to-grave welfare handouts from the Democrat Party 'overlords' -- who will completely take over all power in this country, and never need give it up again....
     
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    So what. it doesn't mean open borders.

    I sourced that the claim of the GOP that beto wants open borders is FAKE. I sourced it!
    You never ever was able to prove otherwise.
    To decriminalize -your point- is not proving he doesn't want to kick m out. They just don't go to jail first.
    To remove a wall - your point- is not proving he doesn't want to kick m out. It's just getting rid of something that doesnt work.
    it's over indeed.
     
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    Exactly!
     
  12. Lil Mike

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    This is the irony of our age, that at a time when we need unskilled labor the least and know for a fact we'll need less and less in the future...we are importing more and more of it. It's a totally irrational policy.
     
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    You are still stuck on the very first reply. You reject the facts I've presented, and I've rejected your attempt at whitewashing.

    It's over.
     
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    1st step is, you putting up a link, but failing to quote the guy to prove you're right.
    I even freaking debunked your claim with a source. Here it is again. :banana:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beto_O'Rourke#Immigration
    Ted Cruz asserted in 2018 that O'Rourke wanted "open borders and wants to take our guns."[209] PolitiFact found that Cruz's claims were "false", noting that O'Rourke had "not called for opening the borders or for government agents to take guns from law-abiding residents".
     
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    I sure wish more Liberals could comprehend this. It's almost as if they have a ACT! first, THINK! later mentality. Maybe, so many Liberals are already living on the Government Dime and getting Freebies and Gimmee's, that they just want more ( Illegals ) to join the party, as long as it's someone else ( Working People ) Footin the Bill. The Longer they can keep Democrats in Control, the longer they can keep getting their Freebies and adding Millions more illegals to the mix will just keep the Welfare flow coming in for a longer period of time. I'm sick of my Tax dollars supporting these Lazy Parasites, Almost wants me to stop working, but I have too much PRIDE for that.
     
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    they are commies because spain made them catholics

    we saw what national socialism did to europe in world war 2, that is their sinister plot.
     
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    TheAngryLiberal Banned

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    There's a BIG! difference between allowing immigrants into the United States of America today compared to allowing immigrants in the past. In the past the United States was in the process of building a Nation, Cities, Infrastructure and people ( Immigrants ) were needed to build it. Today, the Cities and Infrastructure are here and already built and we have ENOUGH people to maintain it. There isn't a Nation to build anymore and allowing Millions of unskilled, uneducated illegal aliens to be a Burden on the Tax paying citizens of this country is stupid when were already struggling to help what we have here now. A country that could benefit from Nation Building and better infrastructure is MEXICO, let Mexico keep these Asylum seekers, there's a lot more work to be done in Mexico and they can help build that country into something like America. The Idea of America being the Land of Gimmee's and Freebies needs to be squashed.
     
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