37 FACTS that contradict the "official" BS story

Just can't help yourself,can you?

 

I want truth. Why would I go to your site for that?

 

Because if you want truth, you would endeavour to look at any and all evidence possible, and make your mind up from there. You on the other hand, have already made your mind up, and so will only look at the 'evidence' which you think counts. That, Fraud, is not searching for Truth. That is following a religion.

 

There exists no evidence that anything else hit the building.

 

Why, then., would you go to any site on which such a lying sack of crap as Phil Jayhan or George Nelson have had their dirty paws?

 

I got about 8 minutes into the video and encountered Phil Jayhan and George Nelson spewing their usual lies and gave up on the slightest hope of finding anything of merit in the rest of it.

 

Here is the thing....there have been MANY aircraft that have crashed into large towers over the years including an aircraft that crashed into the Empire State Building.

There is NO WAY.....that F-15's out of Otis would have been ordered to scramble and intercept any aircraft over NYC when the first aircraft slammed into one of the WTC.....the F-15's were not scrambled until AFTER the second aircraft hit the second tower and then those F-15's would not have yet even been given specific orders as as we know they were over the ATLANTIC before they were even told to fly south.

But as far as RTW FRAUD.....he is arguing a point that does not exist.

AboveAlpha

 

Well,duh!....

 

See the thing is that they are saying that they scrambled 2 F-15's out of Otis....and I live in Massachusetts....just right after the first tower was hit.

That's B.S.....they would have absolutely NO REASON to do this and no reason at this time to think this was a Terrorist Attack.

I can tell everyone this....I was privy to several different retaliatory plans being considered after 9/11....and out of all of them the one that was the LEAST VIOLENT AND DESTRUCTIVE was chosen.

Let me say this to those members who constantly post about how ineffective the U.S. Military was and is and how we lost men to IED's and etc.

There was a plan considered that would have completely changed the Middle East as we currently know it and it was not even the most comprehensive and destructive plan being considered.

If that plan was implemented....who would have attempted to stop us? China? Russia?

NO ONE would have attempted to stop us because even though they would have protested and they would have made threats BUT SECRETLY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY!!!!

There is only one country in the world that can challenge the United States Military....and only challenge it by using Nuclear Weapons.

But for Russia to do this it KNOWS....since the U.S. has a extremely good ABM/ASAT and Free Electron Laser system that IS ACTIVE NOW....the only way Russia could ensure any Nuclear Attack upon the U.S. would work would be a massive attack....and Russia knows that to do this would mean the end of Russia....so that is not going to happen.

China is NO THREAT to the United States.

The reality is that as much as some people protest and complain the least destructive retaliatory plan was chosen....it could have been a lot worse.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha I'm having a hard time understanding where you are going with this..

First of all intercepting an aircraft has nothing to do with shooting it down. The protocol for hijacked aircraft was to scramble fighters to tail them until they landed at what ever airport they had in mind, and ransom demands. The idea of shooting down a commercial aircraft full of US citizens is completely unheard of, and authorisation for that takes time and has to come from the Commander in Chief or the Secretary of Defence. Not even the Vice President can order it.

Otis got a heads up from Dan Bueno (ZBW) at 0834 telling them there was a hijacked American 11 and that they want to scramble some fighters to go tail him. Joe wasn't aware that only NEADS could authorise a scramble, but this only came after he was getting frustrated trying to contact the ANGB at Atlantic City, and trying to get the FAA to sort this crap out and get their military guy on the line to NORAD (which they didn't do) for the past 10 minutes. NEADS finally got the call from Joe Cooper (ZBW TMU) at 0837 after they decided to break protocol and contact NORAD directly. NEADS contacted the pilots at Otis ANGB at 0841 with the order to Battlestations, which was sped up by the fact they were already given the heads up a few minute earlier. The order to scramble came at 0846, just as the hijacked AA11 hit the North Tower. The Otis fighters, PANTA 4-5/4-6 got wheels up at 0852 and burned straight down Long Island (over the Atlantic). It was only around 0900 when they got handed off to Boston Center that the fighters were informed that their target had possibly hit the Trade Center. They then held off Long Island until they could get ATC clearance to Combat Air Patrol Manhattan. NEADS didn't know about UA175 until after it hit the WTC at 0903, the PANTA flight didn't know until they were told to CAP Manhattan.

I really don't know where you are going with your comment but this timeline is irrefutable.

 

I am try to tell you that the F-15's at Otis were NOT scrambled immediately after the 1st WTC Tower was hit.

AboveAlpha

 

By the way....right now those F-15's that were once stationed at Otis were moved to Westfield Mass.....and right NOW...because Barns in Westfield is repaving it's runways.....those F-15's are temp. stationed at Westover...in both Chicopee and Ludlow Mass.....as Westover was once a MASSIVE SAC BASE....as well was an Alternate Emergency Space Shuttle Landing Base due to Westover's gigantic size.

AboveAlpha

 

True, they were scramble seconds before it hit. NEADS didn't know the North Tower was hit around around 0855.

 

That is what I have been trying to tell some here.

They were first trying to tell people....and they still are....that as soon as the North Tower was hit those F-15's were scrambled.

They were either scrambled just seconds before the second tower was hit because they would have been watching that aircraft's decent on radar....or they were scrambled right after it hit the second tower.

Since at Otis...and believe me I KNOW what I am talking about here....F-15 Pilots are trained to take off and head either East over the Atlantic or North over the Atlantic as Otis is located on Cape Cod Mass. and any direction except west is going to be ocean.

AboveAlpha

 

You're an air force boy Alpha?

 

No....but they cart my ass around! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

The problem is, they found melted metal at the 9/11 site. Additionally there was molten metal flowing from the side of the building before it came down.

Now either that was melted steel, or it was Iron. In either case, the temps of the fire were not nearly high enough to melt the metal.

So we have an impossibility. The fire simply never reach temps required to melt the metal, and yet we have molten metal.

Further, even with the reduced load capacity, that doesn't explain how the building fell at a free-fall rate of speed. Nor does it explain how the spire at the center of the building came down.

The instant that the load of the concrete floors fell through, there shouldn't be enough weight stress left, to cause the steel load baring pillars to fall..... because the load would be gone.

They actually tested these steel trusses, in a test. Placing the same weight load on them, that the actual building would have, they poured in fuel, and allowed the heat to build up to 1,000ºC. The steel trusses never failed. They did sag. They did buckle slightly. But they never failed. Never collapsed.

 

You are not taking several very important variables into account.

Fist of all each floor of the WTC had the additional loads of tons upon tons of paper files.

Secondly....the Kinetic Transfer of Force upon the WTC unto itself would bring temps. well over the melting temps. of any metal.

An example of this is how an Anti-Tank Missile or Round by it's shear kinetic transfer upon impact sends a stream of molten copper through tank Armour which is not capable of encountering any fire that could burn a hole through it.

AboveAlpha

 

People who saw this thing, said it looked like a missile. It didn't look like a commercial jet. It was too fast, and didn't have windows.

People who heard this thing, say it sounded like a missile.

I'm not convinced either way. But I find it odd that everyone would say convincingly that it wasn't a commercial jet, when the two planes in New York, most said looked like commercial jets.

Perhaps the people in and around the Pentagon were all really dumb, and stupid people, but that also isn't a convincing argument in my book.

 

I watched in real time the second plane hit the second tower....there is no doubt it was a commercial jet.

There are THOUSANDS of videos as well that show it to be a commercial jet.

As well as far as the pentagon....you can watch video showing a jet hitting it.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about Missiles and the types that exist would be laughing at the suggestion it was a missile.

AboveAlpha

 

Paper? You think paper brought down steel?

No it would not. No other collasped building, caused steel to melt simply by KTF.

There is no force in a burning building, that would create the amount of force caused by a missile detonation.

First, the concrete of the floor above, can not accelerate faster than gravity. Further, the concrete floor above, should fall rather slowly, because there were literally hundreds of ties holding the floor to the steel frame. In order to get the maximum gravity acceleration, all of those hundreds of ties would have all break simultaneously. That would be mathematically impossible. But even if we assumed they did, the acceleration at the speed of gravity would be instantly ended, the moment the floor falling, hit the floor below.

Even if that impact caused the floor below to fall, it would be hampered by the one below it.

Every gain in momentum would be lost by the next floor.

There is no possible way that when the pan-caking floors reached the bottom, that they would be anywhere near the speed required to cause steel to melt.

Of course all of this ignores the fact that the floors would not land on the steel anyway. The steel frame was around the spire, and the outer walls. The concrete floors falling, wouldn't land on the steel anyway.

So, that doesn't make sense.

But all of this, the entire discussion misses the key fact. There was molten metal flowing from the side of the building... before any floor fell. That can't be explained.

 

Again.... *I* said.... that the people at the towers, said they were jets.

The questions is, no one at the Pentagon that heard, or saw the "jet" fly into the Pentagon, says it was a commercial jet.

I don't care if you laugh or not. I don't care what anyone thinks. What you "think" and what you "laugh at" doesn't matter to me at all.

I said I'm not convinced either way. You are, fine. You want to laugh at someone because they don't follow you in lock step? I don't care. Your opinion, and the opinion of the ignorant masses, don't matter to me in the slightest. Never have. Never will. You want to talk about, then talk. You want laugh, waste your time with someone who cares.

 

Think about this....Two studies have analyzed the speed of the planes, one by the Federal Aviation Administration in consultation with the National Transportation Safety Board and the other by Eduardo Kausel, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Both found that United Airlines Flight 175, which hit the south tower at 9:02 a.m., was traveling significantly faster than American Airlines Flight 11, which hit the north tower at approximately 8:46 a.m.

The government's calculations put the speed of the first plane at 494 mph, and the second at 586 mph. The MIT analysis determined the first plane was traveling 429 mph, and the second 537 mph, The Times said.

The south tower collapsed 56 minutes after the crash. The north tower stood for 102 minutes.

Thus the second aircraft traveling faster caused the second hit south tower to collapse first.

AboveAlpha

 

And just where do you think a missile would have been launched from?

AboveAlpha

 

Been through this many times.

Aluminium, Copper, Lead. All melt at temperatures well below the melting point of Steel. These metals were in abundance a WTC, and indeed melted. Steel did not melt at WTC.