37 FACTS that contradict the "official" BS story

As did my comment.

 

Your post:

Out of all the crap you've ever posted, this is the only issue upon which I agree with you. But, the left has certainly gone along with the 9/11 myth and exploited it, just like the right did/does. So, now, will you admit that the left wing is a fraud, or will you be hypocritical?

Seems more about the left, than 9/11, in my opinion.

 

It is about both 9/11 and the left's exploitation of it. But fine, I'll start a thread. But you know that any thread which is started on the understanding that there was government complicity in 9/11 will be beset by deniers who will derail the whole thing.

 

No doubt...as evidenced here in these 9/11 threads, repeatedly. I thought you were ragging on the left though. Did I miss something?

 

No more than I "rag on" the right for the same thing. My post did say "just like the right did/does". Anyway, the new thread is up.

 

Cool..I'll check it out.

 

(from post #340)

It was a bright sunny day. A shadow would only be hard to see at a distance on a cloudy day. The fact that there's no shadow blows your theory out of the water. The bogus plane in your picture is also too short to be a 757. That picture of yours is a doctored picture.

They were plants. There were people who said they'd seen a 757 hit the Pentagon...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

...and there were people who said they'd seen a smaller craft. This is consistent with the theory that the witnesses who said they'd seen a 757 hit the Pentagon were plants. The plants would say one thing and the real witnesses would say another in a conspiracy.

The craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.
http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm
(5th picture from top)

If they said they saw a 757 hit the Pentagon, they're obviously lying.

http://killtown.blogspot.com.es/2006/06/why-they-didnt-use-757-to-hit-pentagon.html

No it doesn't. Here' a post from a thread where I talked about this.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=7208375&postcount=243

My username at JREF is FatFreddy88.

 

You don't know there is no shadow because the photo is of such poor quality as to make such a claim.

That's a bogus claim. You have no proof that anyone was a plant. You just need that piece to fit in your flawed nutter explanation. This is what nutters do...when you lack evidence, you just make it up.

Yeaup...and there are more eyewitnesses who identified the plane as a commercial airliner. There are even those who said they saw the passengers on the plane through the planes windows. Oh, and eyewitnesses to an event don't always say the same thing.

Furthermore, the debris at the crash site has been identified as parts from a commercial airliner, not a smaller plane.

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Wrong. Factually incorrect. The debris found at the Pentagon has been positively identified as a commercial airliner.

You're making an ignorant claim not supported by the evidence...AND you can't prove, and have no proof of anyone lying

Yes, and your considered a twoofer-nut at the JREF.

 

You're trying to mislead those viewers who haven't done any research. All those parts were plantable.
http://physics911.net/missingwings/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88JQL4esHFg
(2:20 time mark)

I'd like to hear some analyses of this video from some pro-official version posters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg
"Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org"

 

So prove they were planted already.....or shut up.

Honestly,no one noticed tons of plane debris being planted?

Are you THAT deluded?

 

Yet you cant produce a single person who witnesses anything being planted, can you? You're just making up a claim to fill in a hole in your Nutter story.

 

The long and short of it is that not a one of these "facts" cited in the op are actually true.

 

You seem to know quite a bit about the Pentagon so, maybe you could answer a question for me (with an answer that's provable). What was that human chain of people in shirts and ties doing skimming the lawn of the Pentagon for on that day? Somebody lose their car keys?

 

It's SOP for finding debris and evidence...geeze,thought you had it more on the ball than that...

 

Oh good. They were just out for a stroll. That's what I figured.

 

they take strolls like that on airport runways and aircraft carrier decks.....works just as well looking for evidence at the scene of a crime

Duh

 

Did they find anything?

 

I can.

This story was written by journalist Susan Lindauer, and originally appeared on The Intel Hub.

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:The_Missing_Security_Tapes_From_The_World_Trade_Center

But regardless of who witnessed what, Professor Niels Harrit proved there was nano-thermate in the WTC dust in 2009.

http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm

Let's be serious here. You're calling his story a nutcase story, when it is your own that is absurd. Three buildings spontaneously collapse, in a manner which two hundred eye-witnesses claimed looked exactly like a controlled demolition, and NIST didn't test for explosives.

That is insane.

 

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July (2001) that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm

Evidence of thermate damage in the FEMA metallurgy report:-

Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.

http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html

Concession from NIST that the WTC buildings fell at freefall speed:-

Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

Patent of the thermal demolition device which almost certainly caused the WTC collapse, registered by Komatsu-Dresser in 1996 (investigate L. Paul Bremer, who was on the board at Komatsu when this patent was registered):-

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5532449/description.html

The West's foremost bin Laden expert, Professor Bruce Lawrence, discrediting the bin Laden "smoking gun" confession tape as a bad fake:-

http://www.globalresearch.ca/osama-bin-laden-responsible-for-the-9-11-attacks-where-is-the-evidence/15892

Evidence that at least 15 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers should never have been given Visas:-

The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that all of them should have been denied entry to the country.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130051

Evidence that at least several of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were using false identities:-

The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/13413 91/Revealed-the-men-with-stolen-identities.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

Evidence that Israeli intelligence were caught celebrating the 9/11 attacks as they happened:-

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

Evidence of the Mossad MO (might be open to accusations of false association here, but I believe this is relevant because it shows what Aman/Mossad are capable of):-

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned civilian targets, cinema, library and American educational center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Evidence that Cheney issued a direct order not to shoot down flight 77, despite knowing that flights 175 and 11 had been hijacked and flown into the WTC buildings, and that flight 77 had been hijacked and was hurtling toward the Pentagon building:-

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/alibis/cheney.html

Dozens of eye-witness reports of large pools of molten metal in the Ground Zero wreckage:-

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html

A television interview with tenured Professor of Chemistry Niels Harrit from the University of Copenhagen:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj0cAhqy6dQ

A link to over 45 civilian eye-witnesses, who all claim to have seen explosives, or seen/heard explosions:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

Over 60 academic studies on why the official story must be false:-

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

This was so obviously a false flag attack that it horrifies me some of you still don't believe it. Please take my word for it when I say that I have spent a great deal of time looking at the arguments both for and against, and the arguments against 9/11 being an inside job (those that claim to "debunk the debunkers", so to speak), are invariably straw men. Not one of them stands up to more than thirty seconds of close scrutiny.

9/11 was effectively the burning of the Reichstag all over again. Hitler pushed through the Reichstag Decree straight after, to increase his control and withdraw civil liberties, and President Bush did precisely the same thing with the Patriot Act. There are very real and patent clues which have been uncovered by some of the more diligent researchers like Kevin Ryan as to who did this on the American end. The four prime suspects to date are: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, L. Paul Bremer and Bernard Kerik, for various reasons.

9/11 was the day my soul died. Literally. I realised as soon as the American government began rewriting the laws of classical Newtonian mechanics to explain how the towers fell that the world as I knew it was one big fat lie. This stuff is unfortunately like being in the matrix. Once you take the red pill, you can never go back.

 

Ask them..

 

Susan got suspicious because of trucks and vans arriving at early hours of the morning to the largest office buildings in the US.. wow. Obviously she has no idea about the logistics behind a massive commerce hub like the WTC complex, nor does she realise trucks/vans do 90% of their delivering during the night to most business and office buildings around the world. Don't believe me? Go sit outside your local supermarket at 3am and tell me how many trucks come to park up over the following few hours.

As for the women herself, she falsely claims she was a CIA asset. She is a nutter. "Lindauer was found mentally unfit to stand trial in two separate hearings. " - wikipedia.

Read that in 2009, and it's still junk today. He never found thermite, he lied and said he did.

This thread here deals with the thermite claim. It is bunk, and if you want to know further why, you can read my comments through the thread.

Furthermore, Millette's 2012 dust study proves the chips found which are identical to Harrits (a)-(d) contain no elemental aluminium, and therefore cannot be thermite.

Building collapsed downward and was totally destroyed, and you're surprised people said it looks like a controlled demolition? That's not evidence, that's not even surprising.

NIST didn't test for energy weapons, mini-nukes, or steel-eating-termites either, guess it must be a cover up...

So what? Bin Laden was wanted for several embassy bombings, the USS Cole bombing, and others, right through the late 1990's. Clinton tried several times to capture/kill him. US knew Mullah Omar was sheltering him, so they were looking at taking further action. I'm guessing it's your ignorance of history as to why this comes as some sort of surprise to you. Still no connection between this and 9/11.

Nope, not from thermite. Steel was heated by the 100 day underground fires. Large amounts of sulphur was present from the gypsum dry wall. Under the heat, it ate at the steel and accelerated corrosion. No mystery there at all.

Furthermore, thermite doesn't work by corroding or poking holes "like Swiss cheese". So you double fail on this one.

Yeah, and they give a perfectly acceptable explanation too, which you even quoted. I'm guessing your physics isn't all up to scratch, so you probably don't understand the concept of energy or net resistance.

So what? A patent for breaking up concrete, not steel. Saying one thing was "almost certainly" responsible for something, is not proof that it was. You are yet to show a controlled demolition even occurred, let alone what material you think may have been responsible.

It's not a fake. And there wasn't just one, there are several video and audio recordings, all on wikipedia. Again, this 'he-said-she-said' failed appeal to authority does not constitute as evidence.

(*)(*)(*)(*)-up before conspiracy. Yes, 15 of the muscle hijackers "should" have been turned away at the gates because their papers weren't in order. But they were there to be "guests at a wedding" for a couple of weeks. Who ever was processing them those days decided to let them in. Hind sight is 20:20. Just because they "should" have been turned away, doesn't mean they were. This is not evidence of conspiracy. But at least you're acknowledging that their were in fact hijackers. That's more than most truthers do.

One of your links is broken. Guess that's what happens when you copy/paste old information from elsewhere.

BBC superseding their article not long after the first. Wrong names. There was no stolen ID. Guess your research skills are out of touch, this link is on the story you linked to.

Aaaaaaaaand here we go. Yep, it doesn't take long from most truthers before the anti-Semitic side of things begins to come out. Just because you're using 9/11 as an attempt to justify you pre-determined racism, doesn't mean it's true. And indeed, the "dancing Israeli's" claim is one of the oldest debunked claims on 9/11 "truth".

More anti-Semitism. Nothing to do with 9/11. Fail.

Debunked for ages. First of all, Hamilton and Mineta were talking about the orders to shoot down aircraft, not to stand down. Second, Mineta has his time line off by over a half hour. This conversation was actually occurring closer to 10am. We know this because the Secrete Service logs show that neither Cheney or Mineta were in the PEOC until after the Pentagon was hit. We also know from phone logs, and other people who were there, that this conversation took place closer to 10am. So who were they talking about? UA93. It was in the system as a flight plan heading towards DC put in their based on its last recorded speed and heading, in order to plan what to do about it. UA93 had already crashed by the time the shoot down order was relayed to the fighter pilots. I deal with this at the bottom of my blog here under The Myths secton.

So what? Large amounts of aluminium, copper, and lead were present in, under, and around the WTC complex. All have a low melting point. Some of it melted into pools from the fires left behind after 3 very large buildings fell from large... fires. This does not come as a surprise to anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

Who cares, I've already shown he's a joke. Just more nonsense.

Things blow up in office fires. Even the 200 people who jumped were witnessed as "sounding like a bomb". How many people in real life have actually heard a bomb go off? Very, very few. Just because people said something sound "like a bomb", does not mean they actually heard a bomb. There are many many events where people say it "sounded like a bomb", even the collapse of "Big Blue" crane accident.

Btw, a lot of people who say "explosion" are actually referring to either the impact of the planes, or the collapse of the buildings themselves.

"Jones Journal of Woo". How come none of them can publish anything in any of the dozens of respectable/serious technical journals, and instead have to "publish" in an online conspiracy "journal" where their papers just sit in the bowels of the internet for the rest of their life. What a joke.

How rich. By the load of crap you've just linked, the only "research" you've ever done into 9/11 was watching videos on youtube. Your totally ignorant comment about AA77 above shows your knowledge of the official story is limited at best. When you've trawled through over a terabyte of documents, images, audio recordings, video recordings, radar data, Air Traffic Control data, statements, interviews etc like I have, then you can say you've "spent a great deal of time looking" at this topic.

Final point. Hitler didn't burn the Reichstag. Try google, it helps.

 

Nothing but crap...crap that cannot be backed up or supported. Kinda like, your ThermXte cliams.

Harrits "paper" has been soundly debunked as bad science and proves nothing more than rusty paint chips existed in the WTC. Shocker. Not to mention, explosive detection dogs were used in the recovery efforts and the found nothing. The claim of explosive is pure bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Two buildings collapsed due to damage and resulting fires from a plane(s) crash we all witnessed. The third, collapsed from damage sustained when one of the WTC collapsing buildings debris damaged a large part of the building that was left to burn for three hours.

Why is it you nutters need to make (*)(*)(*)(*) up?

 

In post #359 I asked the pro-official version posters to comment on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg
"Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org"

Are any of you going to do it?

 

No. There is not proof of any explosives used or found at the WTC, therefore, there is no reason to watch your silly nutter video. NONE.

 

Ah, I see. So you told the other poster that his story could not be backed up or supported, and then after I showed you evidence which supports it, you're now repeating precisely the same claim.

Well, at least I know not to take you seriously any more.

I'm not going to sit here and watch you make up random, absurd lies. Harrit's paper has been professionally peer-reviewed at least 4 times.

You really are not to be taken seriously. You're completely ignoring firm scientific evidence, and corroborative news stories from professional investigative journalists, and then trying to write replies. I'm not interested in your replies until you acknowledge the evidence which has been put in front of you.

Bye bye.