Yes, they should have that right - so long as those decisions are relevant to the running of the business. God didn't tell them to open a pizza joint and He sure as hell isn't running their HR department.
You too my Man! You know what's great about our Great Country we live in! We all (as Americans) can each have their own opinion! You gotta love this country for that! We should all take a pause and thank that simple fact!!
But that depends on your own personal definition of perversion. What gives you, me or anyone else the right to tell anyone else what they can or can't do in the privacy of their own bedrooms?
What difference does it make? If they weren't compatible with each other the Civil Rights Act would have been struck down 50 years ago.
The law says otherwise. God didn't tell the gay guy to divulge his sexual preferences in the interview process in a state that lets a business fire you or not hire you for such activities. So take it up with the states that have such laws.
Because you're doing business with the public and that compels you to adhere to certain standards. Memories Pizza still had to submit to routine health inspections, did they not? That's part of the obligation they have for running a public establishment.
I'll answer you this once, but after that I go back to ignoring you. 1) My only agenda is the protection and preservation of what I consider to be my rights. If you believe there's such a thing as a "gay agenda" that includes more than that, then you're free to inhabit that delusion and I'm free to ignore your nonsense. 2) See my signature. I don't do this left/right crap. 3) Buzzwords are little more than dogwhistles for one's comrades. They're lazy as a debate tactic, and they demonstrate a lazy way of thinking about the issues as well. They're a means to negatively stereotype one's opponent and to engage in character assassination, rather than engage with their arguments on an intellectual level. So that's your answer. Goodbye.
And you still didn't answer the question. You merely described the legal framework that happens to exist. You did NOT even attempt to provide a justification for it.
I would say that taking your ball and going home is a typical liberal response when losing an argument, but in this case you don't even have a ball to take home with you. Thanks for the display of tolerance and understanding the left is famous for.
There's nothing wrong with disagreement... this place would be boring as all hell if we didn't disagree from time to time. I just figured that as a conservative, you'd agree with me that in a free society people should have the freedom to be true to their own selves... they should have the ability to find work and rise or fall on their own merits and not because they don't happen to meet some arbitrary expectation of someone else that has nothing to do with their job. Isn't that as about as conservative as it gets?
$785k now... ROFLMAO. Please newscaster, come ask me my opinion on a controversial topic! Please, PLEASE!
Maybe we're talking past each other here... let me try to rephrase it, once you become a business owner, you have certain obligations to the public that you wouldn't have had otherwise, such as the responsibility to run a clean and healthy establishment - even if your own standards of cleanliness are somewhat more lax and you think the Health Dept's regulations are nuts, you are still obligated to adhere to that standard, are you not?
It's a good thing these pizza owners didn't refuse to cater a convention for pedophiles. They would have angered former president Bill Clinton. The Clinton machine would have gone into overdrive to destroy the owners. Pizza is a favorite of kids you know. Right now we just have to put up with the sickening reality of gay weddings but down the road the kids are going to pay the price for the sad state of political correctness. These things are occurring because of the current administration which hates white people, heterosexuals, and married working adults. It's a bitter state of affairs when people have to make donations to protect business owners from out of control political correctness.
Ok you lost me? ...I was simply making a point about what I think is perversion. My point had nothing to do with employment! Please don't change my thought process! Also I will admit that I find men on men "icky"...guess what? ...that is my personal thought. If there is a problem with that then do your best to get over it! Guess what ?...many many people feel the same way. A Political movement will really not change the core thought that most feel.
The reason we are talking past each other is because you either don't understand my question or don't care to answer it. If I keep asking "why" questions concerning existing laws and statutes and you just continue to describe the situation as it exists, then we are getting nowhere. You tell me "law X exists" or "the law obligate you to do Y". I ask "why SHOULD it be so?" and you just repeat or rephrase your descriptions. Let's pretend for the time being that there are no anti discrimination laws on the books regulating any business and this leaves everyone free to be selective in who they serve and why. Would you propose such a law? How would you justify what many free market advocates would characterize as a violation of the principle of individual rights with respect to running a private business?
Every time one of these poor Joe the Plumber type people gets put on a pedestal by any political party, they end up self-emploding after a week or so and the supporters scatter like so many roaches when the lights gets turned on.
Look I am not gonna even try to win an argument with you because I concede you are much more word and typing savvy than I but why do you always go so defensive? I've already seen you say to people (who have differing viewpoints) that they are now on your "ignore list" Why? remember your viewpoint really does not trump everyone elses. Take a pause and realize that your way of thinking may not be what most feel. No need to feel as an elitist because of that fact. Have a nice life too!
Confirmation bias. He "ignores" the posts he doesn't agree with, and pays attention to the ones he does. That way, he feels like he is always right. - - - Updated - - - Officially crossed the $800k mark. 400% higher than their initial goal. Incredible. I hope it keeps going.
But that's just it... I never grew up in what you'd call a "cosmopolitan" environment... sure, there were effeminate guys, but I never really hung around with them - I don't think I was a homophobe or anything - just never really gave'em much thought - didn't seem to have a whole lot of common interests. So then I went away for school and I remember getting served at an A&W by a really openly gay guy... I mean, he was gaaaaaay. Bright red flames. I remember that really made me uneasy - that "icky" feeling you describe. But you know, when I sat down to eat my burger, I remember thinking to myself, so I've got a problem with his being gay.. you know what? He was just being who he was - if I've got a problem with that, well, hell, I guess that's my problem. I don't want to march in a parade. I don't want to join a movement - I just want what's right. People have the right to be true to themselves without having some busybody pizza place giving them headaches.
Let me put it this way... everyone has their own standards and beliefs and you have a right to those as an individual. But once you cross that line and start operating a business, you have to sublimate those standards and beliefs to what society demands. Society demands that you adhere to standards of cleanliness and society demands that you adhere to standards of tolerance, regardless of what your own personal standards happen to be. That's part of the social contract. Your business then becomes everyone's business... otherwise you're liable to end up eating a big slice of rat turd pizza.
I agree with you on that. It's not like I ever wanted to beat one of these guys up. It's just that "icky" feeling that many people these days will not admit too. But when they get home it could possibly be a a topic of conversation. The problem with many people is that this day an age they are afraid to be honest about what they feel. Passivity can be bad at times.
