7 reasons why liberals are incapable of understanding the world around them

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  1. Bear513

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    So true.




    7 Reasons Why Liberals Are Incapable of Understannding the wotld

    To understand American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil.Charles Krauthammer




    1) Liberalism creates a feedback loop. It is usually impossible for a non-liberal to change a liberal's mind about political issues because liberalism works like so: only liberals are credible sources of information. How do you know someone's liberal? He espouses liberal doctrine. So, no matter how plausible what you say may be, it will be ignored if you're not a liberal and if you are a liberal, of course, you probably agree with liberal views. This sort of close-mindedness makes liberals nearly impervious to any information that might undermine their beliefs.

    2) Liberals sources of information are ever present. Conservatives are regularly exposed to the liberal viewpoint whether they want to be or not. That's not necessarily so for liberals. Imagine the average day for liberals. They get up and read their local newspaper. It has a liberal viewpoint. They take their kids to school, where the teachers are liberal. Then they go to work, listen to NPR which has a liberal viewpoint on the way home, and then turn on the nightly news which also skews leftward. From there, they turn on TV and watch shows created by liberals that lean to the left, if they have any political viewpoint at all. Unless liberals actively seek out conservative viewpoints, which is unlikely, the only conservative arguments they're probably going to hear are going to be through the heavily distorted, poorly translated, deeply skeptical lens of other liberals



    3)Liberals emphasize feeling superior, not superior results.Liberalism is all about appearances, not outcomes. What matters to liberals is how a program makes them FEEL about themselves, not whether it works or not. Thus a program like Headstart, which sounds good because it's designed to help children read, makes liberals feel good about themselves, even though the program doesn't work and wastes billions

    4) Liberals are big believers in moral relativism. This spins them round and round because if the only thing that's wrong is saying that there's an absolute moral code, then you lose your ability to tell cause from effect, good from bad, and right from wrong. Taking being non-judgmental to the level that liberals do leaves them paralyzed, pondering "why they hate us" because they feel incapable of saying, “That's wrong," and doing something about

    5)Liberals tend to view people as parts of groups, not individuals. One of the prejudices of liberalism is that they see everyone as part of a group, not as an individual. This can lead to rather bizarre disparities when say, a man from a group that they consider to be powerless, impoverished victims becomes the leader of the free world -- and he's challenged by a group of lower middle class white people who've banded together because individually they're powerless.


    6) Liberals take a dim view of personal responsibility. Who's at fault if a criminal commits a crime? The criminal or society? If someone creates a business and becomes a millionaire, is that the result of hard work and talent or luck? If you're dirt poor, starving, and haven't worked in 5 years, is that a personal failing or a failure of the state?


    7) Liberals give themselves far too much credit just for being liberal
     
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    Another great conservative commentary with lots of logical fallacies and stereotypes but scant of actual logic and evidence.
     
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    Evidence you ask? Unless you live in a MSM bubble.


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    So much truth here.
     
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    Pick one.
     
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    I, for one, would be quite impressed if you were able to name the logical fallacy of any of those examples, and explain how they were made.

    I'd be even more impressed if you were able to do so without committing a few fallacies of your own along the way.

    So come on and lets see this intellecutual acumen of yours at work?

    Destroy the OP!!!! I triple dare ya!
     
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    Thanks for the proof of Krauthammer's assertion. There is one thing Krauthammer left out. The one thing that liberals are utterly impervious to is reality. Liberalism has from it's very beginnings been an extended exercise in form over substance.
     
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    Liberalism is totally muddled thinking that changes day to day according to how they feel.
     
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    If I don’t have most of the characteristics listed in the OP, does that mean all the people here who accuse me of being a liberal are wrong?

    Also, irony much :) ;
     
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    Liberals can be nice people. But their decisions, discussions, and actions demonstrate their brains never fully developed. They have the mind of a teenybopper -- idealistic, know-it-all, narcissism, and refuse to face the truth if they disagree with it -- wait, that is also the requirements for a journalist.
     
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    An intelligent mind would be able too view society and come to the conclusions in the OP.

    We don't need a "government study" to validate everything that's true. Some things can be learned over decades of keenly observing and analyzing.
     
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    The very blue collar working class who voted for Obama in 08 and 12 switched to Trump in 16? The liberals need to ask themselves why that was? They lost the very base that they counted on in every election, it has to be embarrassing for them.
     
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    Number 3
    In particular Headstart.
     
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    In what world is this considered a rebuke? God if everything in life was this easy. Support your damn argument. What about number 3 is incorrect? Why is Headstart a good thing? Why is the overall point of that section incorrect?
     
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    flamebait hate thread
     
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    ...none of which you actually cite.
     
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    Ah. An 8th Element explaining the inability of leftists to cope with the world around them. Simply call something that disagrees with their platform 'hate', and that becomes the sum total requisite argument.
     
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    Well not all of it is fallacies, you prove 1) Liberalism creates a feedback loop with your own reply LMAO :)
     
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    The overall point of the section is that programs like Headstart came about to help Liberals feel good about themselves. You think that's correct? Overall, studies have been inconclusive on Headstart's effectiveness. Rather than "feeling good" about the intent of the program, what is the Conservative alternative. I'll tell you, there is none. Suck it up kid.
    I think the Health Care debacle shows the Conservative Republican solution is..........well, there is none. They can point at something (like Headstart) and say "that's what's wrong" and make their base fear it but as far as solutions to problems. They are empty suits.
    IMO it's better to try something and fail then not try at all.
     
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    Alright, well firstly, all I was trying to get at is a one word rebuke isn't a good debate form. Secondly, if you're that quick to jump to ad hom, then maybe one word is really what you should stick to, and leave the discussions to people capable of holding them.

    For the red part, if the studies are inconclusive, and the conservative alternative is to do nothing, and that merits the same results without spending billions on the program, that would mean the conservative method is more successful, as you're spending less money to achieve the same result. Not terribly sure how that's difficult for anyone to understand.

    For the blue, that's something I can agree with. But there comes a point where you cut your losses, admit the program wasn't as successful as you thought it would be, and you stop the program. Headstart sounds like a good place to stop wasteful spending, and since you pointed it out, the ACA would be another.
     
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    Ad hom? Where? Hell, the OP is ad hom!!
    The red- The purpose of the program of giving the poor and underprivileged a head start in education is the inconclusive part.The fact remains that the other functions that the program does are necessary. It's difficult to understand if you don't know what the program does and the role it plays in communities.
    The blue- Like in health care, the typical answer. Cut your losses, let it fail, blame someone else, "suck it up kid", heal thyself, yada, yada, yada. Fix something that's needed? Don't really know how to do that do ya.
    Prediction: your answer will be that the typical answer from liberals is TMAT.
     
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    I think you're going to need to take a Rhetoric course in the future.

    So, once again, since you seem to be incapable of understanding my initial response.

    Spending $2,000,000,000 on a program to achieve results that are equal to spending $0. Do you truly believe this is a good plan? Do you believe this is a productive use of the two billion dollars? If there are other functions of Head Start, then why not cut out the excess that isn't working, keep what is, and reduce the cost of it? Then you'd be spending money on a program that's working and this argument wouldn't even be relevant. I know it's difficult, but please, think critically.

    So, I'm a little confused. If my answer will be the same answer that liberals give... but liberals are screaming that we need to be fixing the ACA and not letting it fail... then how am I saying cut your losses and let it fail? Bud, whatever you're smoking, I want some, because that **** is literally out of this world.

    Yes, there is a time when you need to admit your program/project/budget/whatever isn't working and you need to redesign it. I'm sorry you don't like it, but wishful thinking does nothing productive. In fact, it's entirely destructive because you're allowing something wasteful to continue. The adults in the room realize that when you're throwing money into a pit and achieving no results, it's time to stop throwing money in, or, change which pit you're throwing it into.

    You don't have to like it, but it's the way of the world.
     
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    This point cannot be stressed enough. From schooling, to Hollywood, to the news, children are constantly bombarded with the liberal message/viewpoint. Most kids couldn't care less about politics, so they haven't the foggiest idea as to their indoctrination. Most kids are conditioned to believe that their teacher knows everything, so when a teacher espouses a liberal viewpoint, kids tend to take their viewpoint as unassailable fact. This viewpoint is then reinforced by what they see on TV and the movies, and if they happen to watch the network news, that viewpoint is even further supported.

    For these reasons, Liberalism is the default position for most kids. To become Conservative takes free thought because it goes against everything that a child has been exposed to while growing up. This free thought doesn't typically come into play until that child is an adult, has been in the real world, and comes to the realization that these liberal programs are being funded with THEIR money. This is why we see generation after generation of young people being Liberal, and then becoming more and more conservative as they age.
     
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    The point of #3 isn't head start, it's just an example.

    I don't know much about head start, but what I looked at didn't seem to be a glowing review of the program:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/article...vidence-for-head-start-programs-effectiveness

    A better example of #3 would be "feel good" laws that liberals get behind, and waste ridiculous amounts of time and money on for little to no gain....and which often backfire.

    Liberal attitudes on open borders, "gun free" zone signs and other inane useless and downright damaging are better examples of their propensity to put emotions over reality.
     
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    My daughter had a couple kids come in crying the day after the election because Cankles lost. These are like 9 and 10 year old kids mind you.

    Why? Their parents were drilling into their heads liberal BS 24/7.
     

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