9/11 No Longer Matters

You've noticed they do this?

Don't expect these people to conduct an honest dialogue. They are here to discredit, insult, and cover up. That's all.
They have no interest in shedding light on the truth whatsoever. They have every intention of hiding.

So when you speak to these people, speak only to address the occasional visitor who may be interested in 9/11 and hope to educate as many as possible. The atheist, secular humanist, Jewish, communist crowd is beyond reach.

This guy knows full well that the buildings were constructed heavier at the bottom than at the top.

He knows that whenever buildings are demolished that teams of professionals are called in to do the job and get payed very well for doing it for very good reasons.

If buildings always fell straight down due to a little fire their would be no reason to hire demolitions experts and every building in the world would be unsafe.

In the case of the WTC buildings the damage was asymmetrical and the fire was no raging out of control.

You had all those people running up and down the stair wells hearing explosions going off. There were others telling them that they need not evacuate the building!

The fire department obviously did not expect them to collapse. Are we to conclude that they had no experience by which to judge such things?



A floor collapsing on one below it would have to have every single joint busted at the same time in order to expert the full force of potential due to gravity. What are the odds that every support column and/or every point of attachment should break at the same time?

The effect of a single floor collapsing in an asymmetrical manner should be to jam up progressively into a tangled mess the further down it went.

This didn't appear in a single instance of collapse. They ALL appeared to be controlled demolitions.

Meanwhile the shells of much more severely damaged buildings surrounding them stood.

Boom boom boom boom. Molten metal pouring out, Squibs appearing. Flashing lights seen. Black smoke then white smoke. Hurling columns and beams stabbing into the sides of adjacent buildings like spears. Tiny bits of body parts hurled hundreds of feet in a direction opposite to that which the plane flew landing on tops of buildings hundreds of feet above the ground.

Missing gold. PNAC. Susan Lindauer. Lt Col Anthony Shaffer,( the whistle blower who went public in August, claims lawyers shut down the operation just at the point that it named and identified 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta), the "suicide" of numerous 9/11 witnesses including that buzz saw the Washington Madam, Deborah Palfrey.


The people behind 9/11 have enough money and influence to pay or badger people into saying or doing anything they want them to. And then you have the willing complicity of every Jew, Zionist, and Zio-JUDEO-xtian in the country who feel just fine with a Socialist state or a Jewish plutocracy ruling over them.

Just wait until the Fed decides it's time to restructure the debt and then see how many of those sychophants will still be satisfied with the ZOG.

 

Time to first lie, first sentence. Which other buildings didn't fall? You mean the ones that weren't built like WTC 7, and didn't have as much damage or blazing fires for as long? Once again, just because you don't understand something doesn't meant that it didn't happen. I already showed you the study that showed there was no thermite, I don't care if you believe it but it was proven. None of your information disputed the study.

Make no mistake, I don't want to have the same beliefs as you. You are an ignorant, racist, self conflicting, anti-semite. I am glad that you don't agree with me, that's a good sign for my mental stability. Now, you say since most people don't know demolitions, how about the demolition experts that directly refute your theory of CD? There is not 1 demolition expert that agrees with the conspiracy theories.

No, I don't. There is no evidence at all to back that up. I have listed all the people that would need to be involved, and there is nothing that can refute that.

Wrong again, I don't smear you, you smear yourself. You spew hate, racism, and anti-semitism. You are a Jew hater, not a christian. No God would condone talking your garbage. No one here agrees with you, except the other anti-semites.

Keep telling yourself that, it's not that no one agrees with you, it's just that they don't have the balls to come out with it. That makes sense *eyeroll*

Well at least you're used to being called an anti-semite. What makes you an anti-semite? Constantly talking negative about, degrading, and connecting Jewish people to things you can't possibly prove. It's just your conjecture.

You are a hypocrite, you are the definition of hypocrite. You contradict yourself all the time, and it's so blatant that it's funny. I don't know who you think you're "convincing" around here, but you've been called out on all of your crap. You aren't changing anyone elses mind here, you're preaching to ignorant truthers who already agreed with you, and people like myself who sees through your fog of hate, and bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Also, infidels huh? Sounds an awful lot like what a group of terrorists call us. Hmm, some connections are starting to come out I think.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha........hahahahahahahahahahahahaha everyone hop in the time machine. Apparently it's 2003. Let's see if we got all the debunked meme's here:

As normal, Jews. Check
Squibs. Check
Other buildings not collapsing. Check
Thermite and molten metals. Check
No fires. Check
Absolutely no factual evidence to back up any of the claims. Check
Pure incredulity. Check

Alright, you're a full fledged truther. Despite all of those being debunked YEARS ago, you still trot them out there like they're new hat. Good work LoL. Keep it up, I have never laughed so hard. That's why I come here, we don't get truthers that keep rehashing this same garbage at JREF. It's awesome to read this stuff still. Let me see if I can find my Tupac CD and soak this all in.

 

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc7.html

There are examples of buildings collapsing by reasons other than controlled demolitions available in videos for comparison to controlled demolitions.

The collapse of the WTC buildings couldn't have looked more like controlled demolitions than if they had have been.

I am not a Muslim. I am a Christian. As such I do not condone murder on a mass scale or otherwise as a means to achieve as end. This is unlike the Jews who believe that anything is justified so long as they can profit by it.

Prince Lulz Alot. You need an attitude adjustment.

 

The legitimate claims made about 9/11 have never been debunked, merely denied and covered up.

The fact that the Jew owned media has been complicit in this cover up is further evidence that the ring leaders behind the 9/11 events were Zionists.

The truth is never "old hat" regardless of what the Jewish public relations ministers say about it.

After all, it's you people who have been trying to "debunk" Jesus Christ for over two thousand years now and still haven't succeeded.

 

Hahah yes! A creationalist to boot? Oh Holston, you just keep getting better.

 

Wait, so you think they weren't demolitions? This sentence doesn't really make any sense.

 

Is that your lameassed excuse for running away from the ass kickings your claims receive on a regular basis? That is pretty pathetic even by truthtard standards.

 

Not in the sense in which you would say "creationist" ie, one who believes that the earth is a mere 6000 years old.

Do I believe that the universe was created? Definitely.

That says nothing of how it was created, the processes that were used or how old the physical universe may be or even how old the earth is. You can make all the assumptions about that that you want to. You people frequently do when you go to lumping people who claim to be believers in the same category.

I can understand why it is sometimes necessary to refer to a particular set of people in general terms. It is because it is impossible to enumerate an entire set of individuals all sharing a particular set of beliefs or some other common denominator, each by his own special characteristics.

This is how I use the terms "Jews" and "atheists". I am well aware of the great differences which may exist among people who for one reason or another are considered members of the same descriptive class. In order to be able to speak in broad terms at all anyone is forced to do the same thing. In fact, anyone using the terms "Democrat", "Republican", "left wing", "right wing", "liberal", or "conservative" is guilty of the same infraction. That would include you.

But this isn't a debate about the age of the earth is it?

Suffice it to say that I believe that God existed before the physical universe and was responsible for bringing it into existence.

Which is harder to believe, that God existed before time as we understand it began, or that things had no beginning and that the physical universe just sprang into existence from nothing at all?

Or can you more easily explain why there should be something rather than "nothing" to begin with.

I dare say you cannot. But I know that a lack of knowledge on the subject and all the uncertainties involved with it will not deter you JREFers from coming up with one lame explanation after another and trying to convince everyone that you are the only people qualified to make those determinations.

 

Who's running away. You're the one with the crimson bottom.

 

You're the one running away. How about showing us ANYTHING to back up your retarded claims of thermate. You know.... like ANYONE using it for a controlled demolition like you claim all three towers were. Or you addressing the numerous flaws thermate has as a means of controlled demolition. Keep running. You pretending you're not is both hilarious and hypocritical. Not very surprising though.

 

Why don't you go read about the square-cube law and come back when you understand it?

Maybe then you'll realize why everyone is laughing at your cute little washer and paper loop tower.

 

Great, now that we have the cleared up. People that post at JREF don't feign anymore intelligence than what is given to them. Everyone has different opinions, and there are people that believe in God, as you do, and people that believe in every different religion. JREF isn't an atheist site, it is a critical thinkers site. It has nothing to do with your religion, though as on every other message board there are a few hot topic threads on religion. The reason JREF has become a dependable site is because of the reasons I posted above, there are people from every walks of life, with all levels of education, speaking about topics that interest them, and that they have knowledge about. Nothing is taken at face value, you can't just say things and have others believe it. There isn't a vast amount of woo, and the truthers that sometimes post there are taken to school pretty quickly. There are engineers of all sorts, scientists, carpenters, architects, people like me who have no formal education, pilots, air traffic controllers, there are people from all over. It's not some elitists site, the only major difference is the rules are fairly strict, and some of the stuff that flies here doesn't fly there. Both boards are entertaining to me.

 

That's why I get such a kick out of truthers appealing to authority from people with alphabet soup after their name. There are people around that have done the research, and confirm the official story. Air traffic controllers that know how RADAR works, and can explain why they know for sure that those planes, flew into those buildings at the times that are reflect in the official story. There are pilots, not like p4t, that explain how it's not that difficult to fly planes into buildings once they are in the air. There are structural engineers who openly state that even if they found a ton of thermite in the dust at ground zero, they knew why the buildings fell. They even take the time to break down how they know it, and what the math for it is. It has nothing to do with what the truthers have come up with so far. The words of theology majors commenting on procedures, and processes that they have no idea about, I have a tendency to disregard their knowledge. Dr. Judy Wood is a joke all around, there is no point in debunking people that follow her.

All this anti-semite crap you spew (no matter how you justify it, that's all it is) comes out of no where, from people that are trying their hardest to connect imaginary dots. You are accusing good people that have families of their own to protect, of crimes and you have no evidence of it. You state their religion as if it's an automatic confirmation that you are right, as if being Jewish predisposes you to being a horrible person.

Like I said, no one is drinking the Kool-aid here, and no matter what the other truthers tell you, people that are reading these boards aren't swayed. Maybe on those truther boards people buy in without a second though, but I don't think you'll turn any heads here. You're purely entertainment to me, and I am slightly fascinated at how the human brain displays paranoia.

 

keep up the good work!

 

Plague it certainly looks like you have enough time to engage Holston and the others in their theories and words, so I ask that you turn your gaze to our conversation a few pages back again - A Clean Break.

 

Jango, you believe there is a connection there. Fine. You have zero evidence there is actually a connection. Come back when you have evidence and stop pretending you've discovered something.

 

I read the wikipedia article, and all of the information that was presented. I guess I just don't see it, and I don't view Israel as the threat that you perceive it as. I was attempting to respond completely, but in all honesty I was at a loss for words to explain my impression from it. I don't see what you're seeing, and I think if someone is looking for bumps in the night, no matter what they'll find it. I saw a quick TV segment where Israel is having some issues with neighboring countries, and for the overwhelming reports posted here about how much we lay in bed with Israel I didn't see us helping them all that much.

Sorry Jango, you've kind of gone off from my interest spectrum. I don't read that stuff because it's mostly political\conspiracy stuff, and frankly that's why I don't get interested. Too much is based on hearsay, third party commentary, or peoples perception. That's why I stick to 9/11, it isn't political. Maybe some people can connect the two before and after. The acts of 9/11 were a result of religious fanatics that wanted to kill us. No politics, just hate.

Also, my back and forths with Holston are quick and require no thought. You wanted a legitimate answer and reading into it I just couldn't get interested.

 

100% of people with my name that post on these boards think that the statement you have posted is the most generic statement ever. What the hell is big government? Also, there were only 3 choices. Big Government, Big Business, and Big Labor, not really a complicated choice between the three. The poll wasn't asking if terrorism, big government, cancer, or missle attacks are the biggest threat. It is completely unrelated.

From your own article, it says and I quote:

So there is no change from 1965, it's not like 9/11 or anything recent has changed the public outcome. The article is literally saying that it is par for the course, and that is the way it has been for almost 60 years.

Truthers are just irritating. Cherry picking, out of context, no brainer commentary. If you're suppose to be a lawyer (which you're obviously not) how is it you don't even research your own posts, or your own information. Do your clients get the same kind of attention detail? Have you ever won a case? Can you list one? I am going to go ahead and cry shill here. There's no way a lawyer would allow himself to be represented this way.

So actually, they fear has been DECLINING in the last decade or so. Your statement is proven to be complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*), and a misrepresentation of the study. Pathetic.

 

[video=youtube;LofScCiJT4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c[/video]

Like I said, the more interaction that I have with you people, the more I learn about Jews, Judaism, and Zionism, the more convinced I am that Israel does pose the biggest threat to the US, not as a nation per say, but because of the number of Zionists ensconced within the US and the positions they hold in government, academia, and finance in particular.

I'm not saying that they are the only threat, just that they are the biggest and most immediate threat, for the reasons stated above and also because of their ability to go unrecognized unchecked, and their proven capacity to lie and cheat.

A person's "Jewishness" is not what I object to, as I have already explained numerous times. That persons readiness to lie, cheat, and betray is!

Show me a white male gentile, even one who claims to be a Christian, who does these or other bad things and my thoughts and feelings toward him would not be much different.
Show me a Jew who is genuinely honest in all his affairs, not by appearance only, and chances are I will have no problems tolerating him.

Do you people call Arabs, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, etc "anti-Semitic" also?
I don't see how you could since they themselves are Semites, actual Semites, not Ashkenazim Khazars.

So tell us again why it is that you have been dogging me? You're saying that I am a conspiracy nut but that you have no interest in conspiracies.


Are you seriously trying to say that 9/11 had nothing to do with international politics?

And are you claiming that Muslims are the only people in the world capable of being religious fanatics?

I'm sure you would add Christians to the list.

So will you admit that there are religious fanatics among Jews as well? Probably not.

But what about the Likud and the Irgun?
Don't try to tell me that the Bnai Brth and a thousand other Jew Only Organizations are not BOTH religious AND political.

I am glad that you enjoy my posts enough to generate interest among other folks as well. Perhaps some of them will perchance read some of them and follow the links to learn enough about 9/11 to be able to see through the media facade.

You didn't have to admit that answering me required no thought. It is fairly obvious that you haven't thought that much about any of it.

I will give you credit for trying to give a more genuine answer, at least the appearance of one.

But the exemplary one for giving no thought to these subjects has to be Prince Lulz Alot.

You might find his approach more effortless. Just say things about your opponent which are false and create straw men to knock down.

More simply put, just tell bald faced lies and say things like, "You have been proven to be utterly false." and then pepper that with slurs like "truthtard" et al. The reader more often than not will be to lazy too check back far enough to confirm anything. If they aren't captured in the first sentence or two, they're off to something else.

The object so far as he is concerned is not to make sense or prove anything. It's simply to get people to stop as many people from realizing the truth about it as possible. How he goes about it doesn't matter, only that 9/11 is conveniently forgotten. This is also why you say that 9/11 is not important while the truth is that it pertains to practically everything bad which is happening to this nation right now!

He knows that people will not check backwards to see if he is contradicting himself or if he has been shown to be wrong. That's why he doesn't try to be logically consistent or to even make sense anymore than appearance necessitates. The object is simply to make the "truther" appear to be "disproven", "discredited", or worst of all, "out of style". He relies chiefly on some people's willingness to pay deference to the biggest smart aleck. So he blows up like an unattractive puffer fish with onion breath that everyone wants to avoid.

If people are that shallow, there is nothing left for me to do but pray for my own deliverance while the rest of the nation follows the Judaic Siren to self destruction.

http://www.911summary.com/911c.php

 

[video=youtube;LofScCiJT4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c[/video]

Like I said, the more interaction that I have with you people, the more I learn about Jews, Judaism, and Zionism, the more convinced I am that Israel does pose the biggest threat to the US, not as a nation per say, but because of the number of Zionists ensconced within the US and the positions they hold in government, academia, and finance in particular.

I'm not saying that they are the only threat, just that they are the biggest and most immediate threat, for the reasons stated above and also because of their ability to go unrecognized unchecked, and their proven capacity to lie and cheat.

A person's "Jewishness" is not what I object to, as I have already explained numerous times. That persons readiness to lie, cheat, and betray is!

Show me a white male gentile, even one who claims to be a Christian, who does these or other bad things and my thoughts and feelings toward him would not be much different.
Show me a Jew who is genuinely honest in all his affairs, not by appearance only, and chances are I will have no problems tolerating him.

Do you people call Arabs, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, etc "anti-Semitic" also?
I don't see how you could since they themselves are Semites, actual Semites, not Ashkenazim Khazars.

So tell us again why it is that you have been dogging me? You're saying that I am a conspiracy nut but that you have no interest in conspiracies.


Are you seriously trying to say that 9/11 had nothing to do with international politics?

And are you claiming that Muslims are the only people in the world capable of being religious fanatics?

I'm sure you would add Christians to the list.

So will you admit that there are religious fanatics among Jews as well? Probably not.

But what about the Likud and the Irgun?
Don't try to tell me that the Bnai Brth and a thousand other Jew Only Organizations are not BOTH religious AND political.

I am glad that you enjoy my posts enough to generate interest among other folks as well. Perhaps some of them will perchance read some of them and follow the links to learn enough about 9/11 to be able to see through the media facade.

You didn't have to admit that answering me required no thought. It is fairly obvious that you haven't thought that much about any of it.

I will give you credit for trying to give a more genuine answer, at least the appearance of one.

But the exemplary one for giving no thought to these subjects has to be Prince Lulz Alot.

You might find his approach more effortless. Just say things about your opponent which are false and create straw men to knock down.

More simply put, just tell bald faced lies and say things like, "You have been proven to be utterly false." and then pepper that with slurs like "truthtard" et al. The reader more often than not will be to lazy too check back far enough to confirm anything. If they aren't captured in the first sentence or two, they're off to something else.

The object so far as he is concerned is not to make sense or prove anything. It's simply to get people to stop as many people from realizing the truth about it as possible. How he goes about it doesn't matter, only that 9/11 is conveniently forgotten. This is also why you say that 9/11 is not important while the truth is that it pertains to practically everything bad which is happening to this nation right now!

He knows that people will not check backwards to see if he is contradicting himself or if he has been shown to be wrong. That's why he doesn't try to be logically consistent or to even make sense anymore than appearance necessitates. The object is simply to make the "truther" appear to be "disproven", "discredited", or worst of all, "out of style". He relies chiefly on some people's willingness to pay deference to the biggest smart aleck. So he blows up like an unattractive puffer fish with onion breath that everyone wants to avoid.

If people are that shallow, there is nothing left for me to do but pray for my own deliverance while the rest of the nation follows the Judaic Siren to self destruction.

http://www.911summary.com/911c.php

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

 

http://rediscover911.com/quotes-about-the-cover-up/

 

Refute me with evidence from the early 90s and especially 1996 onwards to today then. Refute the foreign policy. Don't just say that it's not evidence. Prove that it's not evidence. I've linked to credible sources. How about you create a new thread and debunk this. Put my theory to rest, since Plague won't touch it because "it's too political."

 

" I read the wikipedia article, and all of the information that was presented."
I posted more than a Wiki page.

" I guess I just don't see it, and I don't view Israel as the threat that you perceive it as."
1. Don't see what? The foreign policy being enacted?
2. Every militarized state is a threat. Israel fights hard and dirty if necessary for its security and national interests.

"I don't read that stuff because it's mostly political\conspiracy stuff, and frankly that's why I don't get interested. Too much is based on hearsay, third party commentary, or peoples perception."
1. What conspiracy stuff? What was it that I posted that is a conspiracy? And it's ironic that you have this sudden affliction to things political and conspiratorial... yet you post on a political forum and read "conspiracy theories" daily and then respond to them. Good to know that you're not willing to learn.
2. So all media should be discounted then in your opinion? What, only Yale, Harvard, and Princeton men can speak of things?

" Maybe some people can connect the two before and after. The acts of 9/11 were a result of religious fanatics that wanted to kill us. No politics, just hate."
1. If you had read the information I provided, you'd see that the US and Israel had grand plans for the Middle East prior to 9/11. Then 9/11 happened. Then those already drawn up Middle East plans were utilized.
2. It is false to say 9/11 is not about politics. If you've read the 9/11 Commission Report or are familiar with 9/11 at all, then you'd know that Osama bin Laden declared War on the US twice. And what were his motivations for doing such things? And those motivations of his, are they not political. It's also false to call 9/11 not political because of the internal examinations of two Presidential Administrations both before and after 9/11.