9/11 who did it?

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Who's behind 9/11 twin towers?

  1. Some pissed off Muslims.

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  2. The US government masterminded it and used bombs to drop the towers.

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  3. Taylor Swift

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  1. Liberty Monkey

    Liberty Monkey Well-Known Member

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    Just wondering how many people are Truthers on here?
     
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    I'm not saying that Bush did 9/11, I'm just saying that he definitely didn't do anything to stop it
     
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    Saudis did it. The effect of a cause. The cause is US meddling and having forces in the land of the muslim. Some folks don't cotton up to that crap. Of course, we are that type of people for if another nation did to us what we have done to some nations in the middle east, we would try to kill them too. They are doing what we would do, except we would use our CIA and military, and not rely upon our citizens to do the attacking. These radical muslims are doing the work of all muslims.

    I think it is possible that some high up people in our gov't like cheney, knew the attack was coming, and did some work to insure it would be pulled off in a spectacular manner. But not claiming this is a fact. I do suspect it though.
     
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    President Bush inherited President Clinton's failed anti terrorist policies including that Al Qaeda was a law enforcement issue not a national security issue and Attorney General Janet Reno's "wall" that forbided law enforcement and the intelligence services from sharing intelligence on Al Qaeda with each other that prevented "connecting the dots."
     
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    I think it was engineered by the Saudis, some of the dual citizen Israeli moles that worked for Sharon and Netanyahu, then oozed their way into the Cheney/Bush regime. If you read the "Securing The Realm" documents written by some of these moles, then read the PNAC documents, it becomes clear that in order to start all of these idiotic, bloody trillion dollar wars they needed to produce a cataclysmic, "Pearl Harbor Like" event that would convince enough dupes to support the carnage we have witnessed over there. Also, there has been billions made in insurance and downtown NY real estate. Cheney and Bush should be hung for treason along with Pearle, Wolfowitz, Zakheim, Wurmser, and a bunch of others. But just as in the Kennedy assassinations the real culprits will get away scot free.
     
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    There's no ideological disunity between Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump. They differ only in presentation.
     
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    This question has already been answered. The only truthers in existence are those who believe the conspiracy theory of the official storytellers. They told a story for which the evidence does not concur. It really is just that simple.

    If one knows nothing of the weapons used in 911, then one cannot possibly know whether the official storytellers are telling one the truth. Therefore, all one can do is have faith in the integrity of the official storytellers and the stories they tell.

    I have over 8,000 hrs of PIC flight time. The vast majority of that time spent flying turbines. I own a twin turbine aircraft. I have intimate knowledge of the 757-200. I know how much flight experience Hani Hanjour, was alleged to have. I know the kind of knowledge, skill, expertise and tactile experience Hani, would need to fly the profile detailed in Flight 77’s FDR. I’ve reviewed Douglas Calum’s Flight 77 FDR Analysis ( which no doubt you have never seen ). I know the technical discrepancies found in Douglas’ Report in juxtaposition to the official storytellers claims. I know full well that what Douglas uncovers and exposes to the world proves that the official storytellers FDR data was cooked.

    I know the Flight Dynamics of the Boeing 757-200 first hand and over the span of 7 years. I know the flight profile alleged in the storytellers FDR. I know that flight profile could not have been flown by Hani Hanjour, with his level of experience. I know Hani Hanjour, failed a Cessna 172 rental checkride with the owner of a flight club. I know how are Air Defense Systems worked prior to 911. I know the intercept protocols used by the USAF for domestic aircraft prior to 911. I know those protocols were not followed from the words of those who flew the intercept out of Otis AFB. I KNOW the intercept vectors given to the pilots who flew the intercept out of Otis AFB were intionally misleading.

    I know that a commercial heavy departed and airport on the eastern seaboard near the time of Flight 77s departure. I know FAA rules for IFR sceduled flights were violated by that departing aircraft on 911. I know and have analyzed the FAA Radar Summary Track for Flight 75. I know that Flight 75 has begun its descent from FL290 and was at 9,00 ft prior to Otis’ intercept scramble.

    I know the Captain who lead the intercept had received confirmation on ALTITUDE AND HEADING that would have taken his intercept up to FL300. I know full well that you don’t scramble an intercept to an altitude that is 21,000 ft ABOVE the intended bogey HEADED 180-DEGREES in the opposite direction. That would be gross incompetence on the part of NEADS and I know that they were anything but incompetent prior to 911.

    Life is not about your or my obtuse theories about it. Truth is not for sale to the highest bidder or the one who thinks they can manipulate truth by way of claiming that which they can’t possibly understand. What happened on 911, is NOT rocket science. In fact, it is fairly easy to know what absolutely DID NOT HAPPEN on 911, by simple deduction and examination of the evidence.

    If you know what physical evidence must be present when a commercial airframe goes down, then you know for a fact that the official story is a lie. If you know what’s necessary to operate a commercial airframe then you know the official story is a lie. If you know the Crash Site geometry and chemistry involved in commercial airframe collisions with terrain and freestanding structures, then you know the official story is a lie. If you know the Flight Dynamics of the Boeing 757-200 and why they matter to 911, then you know the official story is a lie.

    In other words, when you know what you are looking at, then you know full well that 19 Terrorists did not bring 911 into existence.

    The Pentagon crime scene is David Copperfield on steroids. Shanksville, is the real smoking gun because it is NOT a crime scene. There were no passengers from Flight 93 excavated from Shanksville, because there was “NO AIRPLANE” at Shanksville, according to the Mayor himself who told a West German reporter on camera.

    What happened to that German Reporter? He was killed shortly after his video report was released.

    Official Storytellers are Professional Liars. The biggest Truthers in existence are those who blindly believe the Official Story, without proofs that make any sense. Those who believe in such Flights Of Fancy (literally) are the those who wear the Tin Foil Hats they feign to put on others who have legitimate questions about the obvious and glaring contradictions in the Official Hattery.

    You want your country back? Solve 911. The evidence for who did this has been directly under your nose the entire time.

    6 of the 7 largest oil banks were planning to pull their money out of the United States, prior to 911. Al Gore, had family links to Occidental Patroleum. Not every member of OPEC was onboard with leaving the US, namely Saudi Arabia. The Bush family had long standing ties with the Saudi Royal Family. If oil banks pull out of the US, the entire US economy collapses nearly overnight. If Al Gore, gets elected, Occidental Petroleum immediately becomes one of the biggest suppliers to the west. Thus, Gore, is not interested in a 911. He has no motive.

    If Bush, gets elected and 6 pull out, Saudi Arabia takes a hit. Who has motive? On September 11th, 2001, two commercial heavies slam into the twin towers killing over 3000. No Boeing 757-200 every hit the Pentacon or Shanksville. There is no substantial physical evidence to support that claim. There is however, substantial evidence that the Pentacon was struck by a much smaller airborne vehicle and that Shanksville, was struck by an A2A missile.

    Who had offices headquartered in the towers area? 6 of the 7. That’s who. What happened to fuel prices in the US? You know exactly what happened because you are STILL paying the price for 911 to this very day.

    So, you tell me Mr. Researcher. What really happened on 911?
     
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    Truth.
     
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    I sat in my chair and watched the second plane hit the tower so I know full well that it was a huge passenger liner. There is no reason to doubt the rest of the events happened as described. As to the conspiracy theorists, there are always such claims, some may even be well founded but this one isn't.

    Based on what happened at Pearl both the raid and the events that led up to it, it is very clear that the US government tends to get very complacent during long periods of peace. There is a lot more blame that belongs to incompetence than to evil intent. There is the added burden of asking military pilots to bring down a passenger plane with nearly 300 civilians aboard including women and children. That would be an unbearable burden to carry.

    Clinton and those high in his administration have been vocal about how much they told Bush when he took office. What they don't talk much about is why Osama was both still alive at that point and walking around free. If they knew all they claim they knew they were derelict in not killing the man and yes,they could have done so.

    In the end I blame the complete mess our intelligence system can get into from time to time when the pressure is relaxed. The inability to take incredible threats as credible and to act. Sadly enough it will happen again one day.
     
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    I personally have been studying near death experience accounts since 1990. In 1991 they got me disfellowshipped from
    two churches that had a rather dogmatic Soul Sleep teaching.

    I ran into some material about the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack that I believe can transform the way that
    Americans view their role on the earth........ in the universe...... and even within the probable Multiverse?!

    Do you believe a "Soul Wave" formed September 11- 13, 2001? I do!

    (Dr. P. M. H. Atwater)

    https://www.near-death.com/science/pmh-atwater.html

    http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf


    Aftermath of 9-11 viewed in higher dimension of space- time by near death experiencer



    Dr. P. M. H. Atwater:...
     
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    To a degree.... there is also the possibility to blame the passengers and crew of those planes because once the intentions of the terrorists was known....... a surviving pilot or co pilot could have risked their lives....... and crashed the plane somewhere else where only the passengers, crew and terrorists would have died.

    We have all became very selfish........
    and generally unwilling to die for a cause.......
    the veterans who died in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam.... .must be shaking their heads at how
    far downward we have gone over these past few decades.........

    Isaiah 3:1 "For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
    The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,

    The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
    And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them."

    For the record... I believe that we have made some important progress in some
    critical areas..... and we can have a great future.... but our governments are wise to
    develop Drone Technology............ because a fighting force like invaded Normandy
    in May of 1944 might not again be possible to be gathered up from the western democracies.
     
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    Before 9-11-01, Bush and the neocons (Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld) who Bush surrounded himself with had their eyes on regime change in Zimbabwe. And they were ready to use the U.S. military to accomplish the mission of regime change in Zimbabwe.

    On 9-11-01 that agenda was **** canned and the world would change for ever.

    On 9-12-01, I knew Saddam Hussein days were numbered.

    I was so sure of it, that I e-mailed Saddam Hussein a few days after 9/11 informing him that we would be coming after him. Back in September of 2001 Saddam Hussein had his own personal website. You were able to e-mail him. The NSA took down Hussein's website with in a month or so after 9/11.
     
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    You emailed Hussein lol!

    It looks like Taylor Swift has got away with it this time ;)
     
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    I think Wolfowitz, Pearle, Feith and the rest of the neoCONs were Israeli moles and helped engineer the 9/11 attacks. Hussein was back stabbed repeatedly by the Bush's and Rumsfeld before they finally destroyed his country and murdered him after a kangaroo court. Too bad about the tens of thousands of US soldiers who died or were permanently injured protecting the oil fields for these war profiteering scumbags. Too bad for the US taxpayers who are still paying for these trillion dollar bloodfests. Cheney and Bush had already held secret meetings with energy company executives in February of 2001 well before 9/11 to cut up the profits made over our soon to be dead soldiers bodies. Cheney refused to even reveal the names of those who attended that meeting or what was discussed. The Bush's in my book are and always have been a pack of scumbags.
     
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    Bush and Blair are scumbags we can agree on that at least I'm sure.
     
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    Saddam was one of ours and he's now on the beach in Rio having cracked crab. The guy they hung was this poor Jordanian taxi driver. You didn't know?:confusion:
     
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    Remember how we were told that Saddam had a double ?

    It ends up our intelligence was so crappy and he never had a look alike.

    It's all here. -> https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB279/
     
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    Some people say that Bush did it for oil. But Afghanistan, where Bin Laden comes from, has no oil. If Bush really wanted easy access to big oil reserves, he should have attacked Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, but not Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
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    Suuurreee he didn't. And Hitler never went to Argentina and isn't celebrating his 130th birthday there next April. So many candles on that cake it'fl melt the monkey glands
     
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    Hitler was a liberal
     
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    Nobody ever said he was smart, he knew baseball, not geography.

    Seriously. Afghanistan has just recently been found to be a treasure trove of minerals. It's like Africa, lots of just about everything but coal and oil.
     
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    You leave Tay-tay ALONE.

    With all she's put up with from men that woman is a SAINT I tells ya
     
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    A Vegan and a teetotaler. Whereas Winston Churchill drank roughly a quart of Scotch whisky (Johnnie Walker Red ) daily. "There are two types of men you must never trust. Those who drink too much and those who drink too little" Winston Churchill

    Didn't Mr Grainger play Winston Churchill once? he certainly should have.
     
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    It appeases that Hitler consumed large quantities of tea.

    It also appears that Hitler and the Nationalist Socialist (Nazis) were liberals.
    Hitler had his Brown Shirts and the Waffen SS while todays liberal Democrats have ANTFA, the America taliban who topple war monuments and MS-13 who they claim "aren't so bad."

    source -> https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1
     
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    What was Hitler's full answer to this question, and how was he a liberal, when it seemed that the interviewer was asking him how he was a socialist?

    And Trump has his Tea Partiers, who are a lot closer to the SA than are MS-13 who are only peripherally political, if at all.
     

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