911 - Was Flight 77 an invisible inferno?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    thats really interesting, keep up the good work.
     
  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    The fire around the entry hole would have fried her before the fire department had beaten it down a bit.

    but she walked out of the impact hole on to the front lawn on the street side of E ring b4 the fire dept got there, and she said there was no large fire, just very small ones and that would be consistant with a bomb going off.

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    She would have had to have walked to a stairway and there were none that communicated directly to the entry hole that were useable because of the fires. The closest one would have probably been to the left of the wing mark, toward the fire station.


    huh? she was on the first floor, what are you talking about?



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    It has been my experience and it is consistant with all the literature available on the subject, that most people who have experienced an explosion are uncertain what is going on and fail to notice a lot of details that do not seem to present any immediate threat. You would know that if you had any relevant training in these matters.

    Well you obviously have no experience since she recalls her thought process in the interview and frankly is far more coherent than anything I have heard from troughers out here man! another PLONK


    Right, to some extent only, about the fuel being under pressure. The pressure was, of course, far greater on the ground floor.

    again that is not true the pressure is greatest when it impacts the first objects or exits through holes, it progressively slows.

    The holes were not especially large on the second floor. The blast-resistant windows performed pretty much up to expectations.

    Yeh the alleged tail section smashed right into them and never scratched them.... (vomit)


    Of course, all that fuel deflagrating in a thermobarric blast did over-pressurize the second floor to some extent, but not to the extent that a bomb would have.

    depends on what type of bomb, you talk like an expert and always leave me disappointed with your continual lack of understanding.


    The fact that Gallop or any of the people with her there were not deafened permanently is proof that no HE detonation occured there. There is nothing in her story to support anything other than the impact of a large aircraft such as a 757.

    Is there anything that you do not play out of tune? That is completely not true, hell every ww2 vet would have been deaf for (*)(*)(*)(*) sake.

    Seems all you do is go down every red herring road, hell I could not dream up as many red herrings in a year as fast as you post them in one post.
     
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    Really not possible. Thousands of gallons of jet fuel had been dropped there, for some distance back into the building. There were scattered fires onlt beyond where the engines hit. That would still make her best point of egress the door between the impact site and the fire station. That area was damaged, the door probably blown in. Any aircraft parts pn the ground would have been manmgled beyond recognition by a non-professional.

    You guess wrong. You don't need as much trtaining as I have had in fire fighting and in psychology, nor the military experience I have had, to recognize PTSD.

    No, the tail did not strike any of the windows. There are photos of the tail strike points. The plane was banking left. It is simple, grade school-level logic that, if the nose hit directly under a window, the tail would have struck to the left of that window.
    You demonstrate an utter lack of knowledge of explosives. Any bomb sufficient to do the damage done to the wall would have killed anybody within fifty feet and deafened those a good distance away. Black powder aint gonna do it. A fuel-air bomb would not likely do it unless it ignited from inside.

    I never met one who did not have hearing problems. My father was in the field artillery from 1939-45, on 105mm SP howitzers. His unit made the landing at Oran and stood down just outside Stutgart. First thing I remember him saying was "Boy, will you stop mumbling?"

    Seems all you do is go down every red herring road, hell I could not dream up as many red herrings in a year as fast as you post them in one post.

    Edited to add two pics. The colored picture shows the imprint of the tail of the 757 at the Pentagon. The B&W shows the impact and tail print on the Hinsdale.
     

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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    If there was fuel burning in the hole it would be impossible.

    since several people walked out the same hole you claim a plane dumped fuel all over you are incorrect.

    PTSD? Oh so you treated her on site then? I dont think so. cite it, you are just making MORE (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

    she and her baby was blown across the room so that proves you are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up since you claim you never met anyone who was not deaf.

    lets see the larger view of that pic, it does not look like the area above the hole.

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    wow look at that.

    just like she said
     
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    She didn't notice a smaell of jet fuel. She says she exited through an area where we know there was a fire. She was dazed. She refused to believe that what she heard on the news was right. PTSD.

    Per your chart, she was close to where the plane displaced a lot of material, knocking out dry wall. That this material was moved mechanically rather than by explosion is evident in the fact that nobody in her immediate vicinity was dead of barrotrauma and her hearing was not permanently damaged. I do not know anybody who was that close to even a hand grenade who did not suffer some hearing loss. A demolition charge capable of doing the damage she describes would have been equivalent to a 105 mm round. They will deafen a person. I occassionally work at a job that involves people throwing military flash-bangs at me. I was once caught in a loading bay, wearing ear plugs, when somebody threw a flash-bang into the area behind me. I could barely hear for the next two days.

    Okay, I could barely make out from all the crazy citations concerning Gallop where she was in the building. Thanks for clearing that up. She was not in the path of the fuel or any part of the plane, but was in line of travel of some of the structural elements that the plane dislodged.

    Now, if you look down at the bottom of that drawing, you will see a line running from the lower right corner of the area in which Gallop worked, leading to the outside. Anybody who has worked in construction can see that where that line crosses the wall, there is a DOOR.

    PTSD to the max.
     
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    ok doctor lefty, dreamer, never saw the woman, and claims she has a disorder. you dont even know what it is and how to apply it.

    just goes to show you that if they were not born in a barn and would have closed the DOOR they would not have been blown out of the chairs and across the room.

    so what do you think blew them across the room and collapsed the ceiling on them? aliens with space beams? LOL
     
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    She was nearly killed and could not tell at the time what was happening, and has subsequently behaved in an irrational manner. Typical of PTSD victims, although there could be additional psychiatric issues that were aggravated by the incident.

    Stop being silly. A few thousand pounds of scrap metal displaced a few hundred pounds of construction material and shoved it into their work space. Pretty simple to dope out from your own charts.
     
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    helping other victims of the blast and searching for her child is irrational in your expert opinion having not seen or interviewed her. you of course realize you would sued into the next century if you really had the qualifications you claim and said trash like that.

    so shoving some metal into the room through a wall blows people off their feet and chairs and babies out of their strollers.

    you sure you have not been watching too many cartoons?
     
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    The immediate area would have been over-pressurized, so, yes.
     
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    so now we are back to airborne debris overpressure theory of yours huh. tell us how that works LMAO
     
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    When you move thousands of pounds of stuff that was supposed to be outside the building innside the building in les than a second, it takes the air that that material displaces some time to disperse. There was also the deflagration of jet fuel outside the building, but communicating with th inside through the entry holes. All areas within a certain range, both inside and out would have been over pressurized. This is not rocket science.
     
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    plenty of room down the hallways. would have been no larger than the pressure from a floor fan.
     
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    That totally came out of the wrong end of your torso. There was air moving and there were large objects flying all around the intrufding metal debris. No, the hallways were not adequate outlet for the over-pressurization that reults from the deflagration of enough fuel to move a couple hundred ton os stuff a hundred miles through the sky.
    Are you safe from a 500 pound bomb if you stay in you Tudor cottage with the back door open?

    You are really serving up some absurd crap here.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    well bombs really do create overpressure, you think that if a car drives by you at 100mph you will be blown off your feet NOT. LMAO
     
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    A really big truck, hauling ass down the freeway, can flip a small enough car, so just lose the smug attitude.

    Bombs also are not dirigible. They exert energy in all directions, over an increasing area. This is even true of shaped charges. The blast fans out on the other side of the target.

    There is ZERO evidence of a bomb at the Pentagon.
     
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    so explain to the boys and gurls why it would flip a car and not a person? or a cow, or a pencil. or any number of other things. LMAO

    correct trougher thugs removed all the evidence from the Pentagon

    oh and explain the how a small car can be fliped by a semi. you what are the physics involved that would cause that.
     
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    Sigh, another Truther post filled with ignorance of physics.
     
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    Air turbulance.

    Ask an experienced NASCAR driver about "drafting."
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    wow nice nonresponse, so how does air turbulance flip something!
     
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    Same way a tornado takes a roof off of a house. Difference is largely one of scale and direction of air flow.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    oh so how does that work

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    how so?
     
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    You just answered your own question.
     
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    no that was a question to you actually and lefty repectfully
     
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    Moving objects set air into motion, usually creating vortices which can disrupt normal air flow.

    A large aircraft, for instance, can create vortices that will slap another aircraft off course, sometimes leading to crashes.
     
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    yeh cause hurry canes
     

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