A Death in St. Petersburg

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  1. Taxonomy26

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    As usual, Putin Murders another critic.
    They all get killed sooner or later - some in grotesque ways.
    Media critics and political enemies, all eventually get Murdered.

    And we have Russian Agent posters here who use nothing but Russian Govt Funded arms RT/Sputnik/Fort-Russ, etc as links.

    A Death in St. Petersburg
    Another critic of the Kremlin dies by unknown hands.

    April 20, 2017 7:13 p.m. ET
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-deat..._picks&cx_tag=contextual&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s

    Journalists in authoritarian states are some of the bravest people on Earth, and often they pay with their lives. The latest is Russian Nikolai Andrushchenko, who died this week in St. Petersburg after a beating by unknown assailants last month.

    The 73-year-old co-founded the weekly Novy Petersburg and was known for articles criticizing the Kremlin and President Vladimir Putin. His newspaper also dared to report on the connections between St. Petersburg officials and organized crime.

    Andrushchenko enjoyed the relative freedom of the press after the fall of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, but he was one of the first in Russia to warn that the secret services were returning to political power after Mr. Putin’s rise in 2000. Andrushchenko was previously beaten in 2007 and survived, but this time he never regained consciousness after brain surgery following the vicious assault.

    His death is part of the tragedy of modern Russia, where critics of Mr. Putin often end up shot or beaten to death by killers who are never brought to justice.​
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    in Russia, criticizing Putin is a death sentence.
     
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    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sort of like crossing paths with the Clintons.
     
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    And yet your avatar disrespects our country. You are among the luckiest people who have lived on earth.

    :salute: :flagus:
     
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    maybe the leeds dried up, a lot of murders in the us are never solved.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow... I've just noticed his avatar... and you're right, it is very disrespectful.
     
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    What would one expect.
     
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    Beaten to death at 73... very sad

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    Do you have any proof Putin killed him?
     
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    So, any journalist that criticised Putin can be killed only by order of Putin, you automatically assume. Right, because it's not like there other politicians in kremlin, not like we have 450 members of parlament, whole Russia United political party, as well as dosen other political parties of lesser caliber, or that this man were investigation any OTHER topics than Putin.

    Typical. As I said, I wonder who will you be blaming for everything happening in country with 146,000,000 people in it next year, when Putin retires.


    But keep blaming Putin, it's always easier than - if you really care and not just pretend to show off - actually investigating death of a person you care about to find actual murderers and bring them to justice.


    And by the way, if you did not got my motto: I am disgusted by a showing off hypocrites who use somebody's tradegy to push through their ****ing useless piece of **** agenda. That is in case I sounded too polite at first.
     
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    Of course not!


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    except Ken Starr, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Dick Morris are all still alive.

    how's that work?
     
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    To understand the deceptions we are subjected to by our government, when 11 plus anti junta politicians and journalists died in Ukraine under suspicious circumstances... and all within a period of 3 months, there was not one mention of it. Yet lies and suspicions abound about Vladimir Putin... even if the deaths occurred in Britain with its notorious MI6.

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    Of course there is no proof. Because if all you do is watch the news on CBS that is the conclusion one might draw. But all these articles (and scores more if you cared to search) must be pure conjecture without a shred of proof or reason behind them.

    Mysterious rash of Russian deaths cast suspicion on Vladimir Putin
    A list of fatalities – 36 men and two women – suggests that Putin’s alleged attacks on his critics and whistle-blowers are more extensive and lethal than previously known
    http://www.scmp.com/news/world/russ...mysterious-rash-russian-deaths-cast-suspicion

    Russian diplomats keep dying unexpectedly - Axios
    https://www.axios.com/four-russian-diplomats-died-in-the-last-three-months-2281281...

    The Kremlin's Man: The Mysterious Deaths and Arrests of High-Level ...
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/.../the-kremlins-man-the-mysterious-deaths-and-arres...

    Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald ...
    www.telegraph.co.uk › News

    Unexpected deaths of six Russian diplomats in four months triggers ...
    www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe

    More of Kremlin's Opponents Are Ending Up Dead - The New York ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/.../moscow-kremlin-silence-critics-poison.html

    8 mysterious Russian deaths since US election - YouTube


    Former FBI agent Clint Watts says the mysterious deaths of eight prominentRussians could be linked to ...

    Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ...
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-viol...

    The Curious Deaths Of Kremlin Critics : Parallels : NPR
    www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/08/30/.../the-curious-deaths-of-kremlin-critics
     
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    It works like an leftist investigation into Russian collusion with the Trump organization. It must be true because everyone is talking about it. Facts don't matter. Coincidence counts.

    Here is a link to the coincidence's involving the Clintons. Wouldn't be surprised to see a couple new bodies make the list if Mueller and his team of Clinton appointees don't bury the scandals involving Hillary.
    https://www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/
     
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    Well, let's analyze.

    I randomly - sincerely randomly picked the article. "Mystery death of ex-KGB chief".

    What I find? Head of secretariate of second in command of Prime Minister of Federation in 2008-2012, in retirement since 2012 - when his boss Sechin left governmental service for "Rosneft" corporation. Erovinkin followed him there soon after.
    Before that - went through few administrative ranks in government, particularily worked with documents and secrecy matters. Particularily NEVER was a chief of KGB, as well as never was head of FSB. Whole life spent as second in command of somebody's second in command tops, sure worked with governmental secrets, but again - not as a top rank. Albeit reached rank of general in his FSB service, does not seems like he ever held rank of general during the KGB service. Which is not surprising, considering he finished his intelligence education only in 1980, paralelly with his work in police (back then called "militia"). He basically never had enough time to get to such high rank.

    No known conflicts between him and Putin, no known conflicts between him and Sechin, no known conflicts between Sechin and Putin. A rumor about rivalry between Sechin and Medvedev exists, but even it is quite bleak.

    As for Erovinkin himself - age of 61, said to have died from heart failure, evidently felt ill, lost councisness and died on backseat of service car. At his age, considering that he didn't had quietest and probably healthiest life, considering his photo in the Telegraph's own article, where it's notable that he's obese - like many, many bureaucrats of my country, trust me on that one - it IS possible that he really just died from heart failure.

    So, very plausible cause of death, sure an intriguing life with intriguing jobs, and no observable reasons for his death. On top of that - incorrect representation of position he had in government, loud name for article, and little to no actual information on WHAT man was doing, HOW he died - "mysterious circubstances" my ass - a-and out of blue considered being connected to a... British ex-spy who spied on Soviet Union in 1987-1989, half of decade prior to Erovinkin achieving any notable position in FSB. But sure Erovinkin suspected to be connected to this guy.. ...by we have no idea who, the Telegraph article says nothing on the matter. Basically all it says - is either incorrect or not proven and could be made up. On top of that article is MONTH later than the actual event, written at time when cause of death already was said to be known.

    http://anticompromat.org/sechin/erovinkbio.html
    http://m.echo.msk.ru/blogs/detail.php?ID=1899106
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Erovinkin
    http://www.segodnya.ua/world/hranit...a-samom-dele-byl-general-erovikin-783309.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele

    Well, I find it being a ve-e-e-e-e-e-ery big stretch to assume that Erovinkin was doing any sort of intelligence service, spied on Trump, and been murdered. With such stretch - every death can be assumed to be a murder.


    But if we assume you are not persuaded by my analisys - well, pick any other link from your list and I will check on it. Bet it will not be much better than Telegraph's article.
     
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    Well I just do not have the time to be sure of anything. So I will say you may be right because I will not be able to research it. I've done enough on the Clinton connection of mysterious deaths and it is compelling. So is pizzagate --- indubitably so, imo. A very dark presence which we are obliged not to get too curious about.
     
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    The assassinations are from the Ukrainian mafia.. It's their calling card, and they haven't been quiet about it. It's how the Kiev leadership does business. This is why Asst. Sec. of State Nuland and her buddy Ambassador Pyatt put them in charge. They knew that the only way they could pull Ukraine away from Russia was to make it profitable for the criminals... and believe me it was. They stole billions from the IMF money that was meant to help the Ukrainian people.

    Other than the assassinations and the terrorist attacks which have been thwarted by Russia, they are now threatening Russia to watch out for subversive acts from the millions of Ukrainian migrant workers. Some of whom are Nazis from the former Polish province of Galatia.
     
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    It's a One man Police State/Kleptocracy.
    Everyone kicks up to the boss.
    His wealth is inestimable, as he has anything/everything he wants. He can kill/jail any of the Oligarchs/Billionaires who gets out of line.
    He owns anything he wants and can do anything he wants.
    Absolute power.

    No one is looking for "proof" or he too would get killed. Duh!


    What a ridiculous post followed by Russian Agent Jeannetova's approval. And Ironically she uses virtually ONLY Russian GOVT websites, (RT, Sputnik, fort-Russ) or their plants in alternative media, claims "the Big Lie".
    There is NO living opposition Media in Russia. There's no 'Moscow Post/Times' to criticize him.

    Jeanette is blatant evidence of one small part of the Russian internet effort.

    All serious Russian Critics, holders of dangerous (Operation Trumpov) secrets, and serious opponents.. get's Murdered.
    Everyone knows it, and that Terrorism cements his leadership.

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    And remember - everybody there are bears on unicycles, the rallies in March and June are made up myth, Putin in fact was HEAD of KGB, not some subordinate in provincial office of it, and Lenin is not a hollow meat mummy, but actually artificially kept alive.

    Yes, I am mocking your absence of clue about my country right now. Quite viciously.
     
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    They were small and quashed.
    Their leaders will be killed (also unsolved) at some less obvious future date if they persist.
    See the OP.

    You also had no rebuttal of anything else I said.
    ie, show us some Major Russian media with Putin Criticism.

    Amazingly - not - no murder of any Putin opponent has ever been solved.
    That's a laugher.
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    Not that much different from the US, is it? Thing is, with Putin and Russians, Putin has enough allies within his own citizenry that he would not have to order any murders himself. Same with hackers. Some Russians, sensing needing to do their patriotic duty, will hack the US on their own, so the State need not waste time and treasure.

    Within the US, outside of criminals like the Clintons, murders are not generally ordered by politicians, but your life ain't worth two cents if you go up against the Deep State, whose agenda remains in place as presidents come and go. Therein is where the real power lies, and the agenda of agencies like the CIA, has always, since its inception, dovetails with the self interests of the banking cabal and MNCs, and those of the few elite families who owns them. And it isn't like this is some hidden secret, for the beans have been spilled many times over the history of the CIA, by insiders. If you get a non criminal heading up the CIA, and if he busts some of them out, he ends up dead, just like one did here a few years ago. And no perps ever get caught, and any investigation goes nowhere. Then there was the journalist who was about to go underground, working on a new story, perhaps taking on a part of the deep state, and he dies in a fireball in the wee hours of the morning when his car was hacked into, control was taken which floored the gas, stopped the brakes from working and he crashed and burned, exploding like a bomb went off. Of course if you question this death, the Conspiracy Theory handle is applied by MSM, which BTW, the term was created by the CIA years ago to help real conspiracies from having a light shined upon it.

    Of course, we still have plenty of naïve americans who actually believe the US doesn't do such things, and only men like Putin is that evil. But these americans have to cut themselves off from valid, and factual info about their own nation and its deep state intel, in order to remain stupidly naïve, so they can still believe the US wears a white hat, and is a force for good in the world. When indeed the evidence, the facts would never support such a belief.

    But, I do not have the luxury of living in a reality which consists of being totally blind, which is required in order to believe the US is right out of Leave it to Beaver and a force for good. I wish my nation was principled, and wanted to be a force for good in this world. To set an example, and to actually have a principled and moral high ground from which to stand and call out the criminals and sociopaths in other gov'ts. Instead of being a rat's nest of nefarious hypocrisy and criminality, being above international law that our more sane, moral and principled ancestors helped to write right after ww2.

    Fact is, we have not evolved psychologically away from the chimp like behavior, and civilization is only a thinner than rice paper veneer that separates us from the barbarity of the Huns, the Mongols, or Hitler. I have no doubt that at one time, the principles of our founders and protestant Christianity helped to temper us, gave us morality and principles, along with intelligence and we were in a stronger position to criticize other nations from some moral high ground. But we eventually lost the morality, the principles, the intelligence and are really no different from Putin today, and are probably even worse than Putin.. This in no way justifies what you think putin is guilty of, but only serves to point out that in order to stand on some nonexistent moral high ground requires many 50 gallon drums of concentrated hypocrisy.
     
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    Infowars or Meds?
     
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    You know Goebbels wasn't the first to come up with the idea that if one repeats stupidities like you often enough they will be believed, Lenin was. And like the new 'Trotsky' ideologues in Washington with their perpetual warfare, he was also a liberal one world order freak.

    Their subversion and assassinations worked then, and they managed in overthrowing the Tsar and making Russia a slave state... at the cost of 20 million lives, but it ain't gonna happen again. Nor will Putin or any Russian leader ever trust the US again, the way they did when the Soviet Union was dissolved. They managed then to steal Russia's wealth and send it out of the country, while the people went hungry... but it ain't gonna happen again. There is a saying:

    'Fool me once, shame on you', fool me twice, shame on me'.


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    By the way you're very ugly. I guess it comes from within.
     

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