A Divided Nation should be divided into Two Separate Nations!

"GOP now holds “Solid South”

I was born in WI but have lived most of my life as a Mil dependent all over Europe & the U.S. as well as the great Southwest (TX & AZ).

But this nation is indeed a divided nation, Big Govt vs. States Rights, and I am for a new spit of it, not based on race or economics, but on individual freedoms and liberty from unreasonable Federal regulations!

Name for the new nation: "The United States of Common Sense."

 

The problem is that the US seems to be divided on so many different lines in so many different directions so any separate nations created from it would be just as divided. Maybe you'd do better to focus on all the things you have in common, accept and work within your differences and stop feeding the divisions and conflict.

Really? Like "Democratic Republic" of North Korea then?

 

Dont see the many anarchist groups, which are causing division in this nation, and are primarily in the large, Liberal, northern/'left' coastal cities, uniting this country!!

Liberals, aka 'Pro-gressives,' in reality 'De-gressives,' are not known for having' common sense'---they would fit in fine with socialist N. Korea (as long as could have their lattes & Dennis Rodman-type asses kissed!)

 

It didn't work out so well the last time, and it isn't going to happen again.

 

"The United States of Common Sense" is for energy independence and competing on the world stage. The new 3400 Fed regulations stifle free markets, the small businessman, and farmers. A nation of entitlements (going well beyond 'safety nets) is a nation of cripples, lacking individual initiative and 'actual' economic growth, and will become a 'nation of losers' at some point! Utopia defunked....

 

Amazing how even after their "big victory" last month....Rightwingers so quickly leap back into their SOP mode and start dreaming up their "Galt's Gulch" Utopias of..."An America where there is no welfare or unions or workplace laws, and States have the right to run everything from voting to who can use what public water fountain"....

aka America in 1890....which saw plutocracy, monopolies, 12 hour work days, child labor, Triangle Shirtwaist Fires, and JIm Crow.

 

The line used to be

"Conservatives want to go back to the 1950s".

Then it became "Conservatives want to go back to the 1920s"

Then it became "Conservatives want to go back to the 1890s"

Now, some of them want to go back to the 1860s

 

And 'they' said that Communism wouldnt work---didnt China just surpass the U.S. as the leading economic power in the world?!

 

Ah, so it's those people over there causing all the division, not your people over here. I understand.

That's because you're using "common sense" in the all too common manner to mean "anything I think is right!". You're far from alone in this error and that's a symptom of the real problem here.

 

Sorry, but 'common sense' supersedes any ideology or label, but tends to reside in the traditional members of a successful society and not in radical activism which is inherent in the Left.

 

The US cant achieve energy independence it is shovelling money into the boilers just to keep the fired up at their present rate.

Without entitlements there would be no cripples, or poor, or old people because they would all starve to death like they did before the first 1930s.

And those lazy bums actually work harder than you but are unable to find a job. You seem to have a fantasy about how the economy and jobs really works.

 

It isn't really divided like that. True some states are "solid" one way or the other, but that generally just means a 60/40 split. Plenty reliable for "winner takes all" elections, but that's still pretty even when you get down to it. We're a pretty "purple" nation.

Also if you look at a county by county breakdown of election results you'll see that the real divide is more rural vs. urban. And I think that divide is part of the root of a number of policy differences. You're a lot more likely to lean Republican when you're running your own farm and if you (and the criminals) know the nearest cop is 20 minutes away from your house, you're going to want to be able to defend yourself.

China isn't remotely communist. The promise of a stateless workers utopia was just how the Party got totalitarian power before the inevitable bait and switch. They gave socialism a try, but it didn't work very well and they figured out that their GDP jumped every time they introduced a capitalistic reform, so now they're what I believe is called "state capitalism". In many ways they're far more capitalistic than the west in that their authortarian government is able to crush unions and anything related to workers rights, and if they want to remove some people's homes to build a dam or factory it just happens.

 

There is no reason to divide the nation in two with the recognition of states rights.

 

"common sense" means.....anything you want it to mean. I'm sure you can find "pro-lifers" who'll tell you "Banning all abortions is just common sense."

 

You assume (ass-u-xx) too much, me having worked since 8 yo and now retired & enjoying both my & 'your' Social Security payments (as well as my paid-into private pensions), having been in & out of work during my life, did not make a lifetime on living off of the Govt but paid my way---no food stamps, no Govt paid cell phone, no section 8 housing, etc. Where did I go wrong?!!

 

Most pro-lifers I know have exceptions to abortions (life of mother, rape, incest, etc.)..but it's "common sense" not to kill off the next and replenishing generation (see Japan) to take care of the growing older generation...i.e. carte blanche abortion doesnt make 'common sense!"

 

The divisions are too deep in this country now:

Traditional Conservatives/Radical Progressives:

1) Stress independence/ lean toward Govt dependence
2) Strong Military/ weakened Military
3) Energy Independence/ non-competitive Energy plans
4) Conservation of resources & Jobs/ saving dying out species no matter what
5) Responsible Environmental concerns/ Global climate change hype & hypocrisy
6) Law abiding demonstrations (Tea party)/ extreme acting out & anarchy-type destructive behaviors (OWS, Race riots, etc.)
7) Flag waivers/ flag burners
etc. etc.

 

Good for you. There are 315 million people in the US and 154 million jobs and a labor participation rate of about 67%. That means 154 million represents 67% of the total possible workforce.

So if another 100 million look for jobs then what? They will magically appear?

 

I want the Northeast and West of the USA to join the EU or Canada.

 

Well when you just invent strawman you make it seem so reasonable. I used to be a fanatic like you but the fact is 30 years of Republican ideas have made America worse off.

Say what you will about Progressives but America was working like a champion in the 1960s.

 

and you can go live in your northern communist utopia and see well it does and leave us liberty and freedom loving states alone
a long fence would be built but not to keep us out but by your government to keep you in just like they did in berlin

 

the problem with this simple solution is that the driving force behind modern politics is authoritarianism and centralization, the enforced micro-management of the lives of the people by the federal bureaucracy. we've got people from california telling people in montana how to live their lives, people from chicago telling people in washington how to live their lives, people from new york telling people in alaska how to live their lives and on and on and on. every couple of years or so we get to scramble around the people who are telling us what to do, but we are all so far removed from the process that we might as well be pushing buttons at random. then, of course, we have the media. they are supposed to be giving us information, but are far too concerned with entertaining the masses and pushing their own agendas to give us any real information upon which to make our decisions. even if we could get reliable information, what right does a stockbroker in new york have to decide the fate of a farm in kansas? don't you think the people in kansas know what's best for the people in kansas?

no, i'm afraid the states have lost their right to self-governance and it ain't coming back. the slums of d.c. and detroit will continue to siphon off the wealth of more successful states, the fruits and nuts of california will continue to demand that land on the other side of the country not be used so the last seventeen spotted whooping toads have a place to spend their final years and the crooks and liars in our nation's capitol will continue to chip away at the last vestiges of individual rights until they have control of it all.

 

The news peddles in myths.

There are 1.55 STEM graduates to ever STEM job...

I know the Republican talking points....if only people would stop getting liberal arts degrees they could get jobs.

No.

There are already too many people in science and technology fields those jobs are now extremely over filled.

That comes from the BLS statistics. Most graduates of college end up living with their mom even if they are in Engineering degrees.

 

My son has an IT degree and has worked several jobs including tech support out of his home PC.

But one difference these days is that ppl want "fun" jobs (thk you Nancy Pelosi)!

Guess my & my parents generation were happy just having a job that paid the bills.

Ppl these days are too fickle and with a short attention span (thx to video games & instant gratification) cant stick with anything.

How many 'kids' these days work while going thru college ( I trimmed trees) or have ever had a manual job?!

MY B-I-L's kids (now in their 40's) have never worked a physical job in their lives, altho they are Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, and Oil Corp Execs.

We need immigrants (legal & law abiding) to do those jobs these days..but for the academically-spoiled, I dont see any solution....

 

If all of those evils are possible when rolling back to a stronger states rights position, doesn't that mean that tyranny IS possible if we eliminate the 2nd?

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