A.I, is it a good or a bad thing?

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Is it a good or a bad thing?

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  1. Polydectes

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    I don't think there will be robots with AI most of it will be used in a non-physical space. It doesn't need a body or it already has one and it's stretched all over the planet.

    As far as it being a good or bad thing I'm not sure there is some good that will come with it there's some bad that will come with it. Like most technological advances.
     
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    Well sites created by people that study medicine biology and related sciences can also be wrong. So the reality is it can only be as smart as people are. Is it has no concept of perception it can't gain any knowledge of its own.

    It'll be used as a tool kind of like on board diagnostics on a car.
     
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    Good description - AI as a technology. It does have possible good and bad uses.
     
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    It can only know what people know. It has no perceptive sensory.

    Something that will probably be perceived as bad but I don't necessarily think of it that way. Is some jobs will be made obsolete by automation that's actually just called progress. Something good is a lot of tedious research well no longer have to be done but again this is automation.
     
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    Science certainly CAN be wrong, but betting it IS wrong without serious evidence is really stupid.

    With the pandemic, we had serious biological and medical expertise from the entire world.

    Yet so many were ready to toss that on the grounds that the president proposed solutions like drinking household cleaner.
     
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    This isn't quite true.

    In protein folding, science knows it is incredibly important. However, the problem involves factors that humans can't deal with - while AI has proven that it can.

    AI conquered the game of "go", besting all humans. And, the very best players can't even tell what the AI is doing when it beats them. The knowledge came from the AI playing itself millions of times and figuring out how to win.

    The same goes in other fields. AI absolutely can go beyond the capabilities of humans in acquiring knowledge.

    That certainly doesn't make it sentient, of course.
     
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    Rome destroyed itself, not by cataclysmic forces.
     
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    True.

    Previously posted in this thread.

    Nefarious Advanced Ai ChatBot?

     
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    What is AI predominately used for currently?
    I dare say places such as DARPA will use AI for more nefarious applications.

    A DARPA Perspective on Artificial Intelligence

    I perceive DARPA as SKYNET.
     
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    Yes, I agree that this is a serious risk.

    It's popular and easy to control by establishing where it may look to aggregate information, if not other ways.

    Fox could create a chatbot that is based purely on fox material, for example. (Same for others, obviously)
     
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    True.

    When you look at who controls the media, you have to ask the question what is their agenda, affiliations outside the media groups and the narratives they push? Some of which would more than likely utilise chatbots and also fact-checking for the latter.
    The 6 Companies That Own (Almost) All Media
     
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    One definitely has to be careful when consuming science and news.

    Finding reliable information requires constant attention.
     
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    I'm not into sciencism being skeptical of claims is wise. I don't care what names you call me for that.
    That were profoundly wing about so much. This is why skepticism is more logical than sciencism
    That didn't happen you watch too much mainstream media and they are partially responsible for much of the discrediting of institutions that were once credible.

    Dumb leftist conspiracy crap taints everything probably because they are trying to steal credibility.
     
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    The only way I think they start skynet is by accident. I dislike the government and all there little bureaucracies they should all be ended by executive order immediately.

    And no doubt they use all sorts of things to collect information on people. But I can't accept some of the clandestine theories because the biggest issue with government is incompetence.
     
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    That is what is perceived. The current admin is just the face and voice, someone or a group is pulling the strings. To orchestrate what has been going on in the past 3 years requires some level of intelligence, which the current admin does not demonstrate.



     
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    Is love to hear how.
    Lol AI is a human invention a tool. That's like saying a tightened bolt is something a human can't deal with so a wrench does. No a human uses the tool as an extension of their own abilities.

    You talk about AI as though it's a new intelligent species that's sci-fi.
    yeah, that's the whole point of any technology ever created. A knife skins a carcass better than ripping the skin off with your teeth. We don't say the knife bested humans in dressing and butchering animals.

    You're still talking about a tool.
    that's not knowledge that's running algorithms that people made for it.
    how because it can win some game?
    I'm doubtful that it's even intelligent. The only sensory capacity it has is what we give it.
     
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    So their massive incompetence since the beginning is all just theater?
    But it's not just the admin it's top to bottom. From the highest office down to the local police and it's not just in the last 3 years it's been that way since the beginning.

    I think that's the point of most government cover-ups is to fool people into believing their less incompetent than they really are.

    We aren't you geniuses run in politics they're typically self-centered morons.
    I'll have to watch these later as I can't play audio right now.
     
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    Surely the largest twisting of our system is in how we do elections.

    The cost of competing in a modern American election is absolutely GIGANTIC.

    Our representatives have to be toadying to the big money interests every single day of their term.

    This is solvable by applying control on this factor.

    Today, the only real control is on the donations of individuals who are making small donations.

    And, THOSE are the ones who should have the most influence.

    Corporations are NOT PEOPLE. Suggesting corporations should be making our decisions on healthcare, etc., etc. is just plain LUDICROUS.
     
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    What would be considered, "reliable sources"?
    From my perspective, any person or entity that does not reside under the corporate news banner. People such as independent investigative journalists and anything else are just in for the headline and to add to their ratings and bottom line. As well as spinning a narrative to manipulate the masses' perception of issues.
     
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    Oh, definitely not theatre, certainly not their actions or words. They're just puppets, in particular Biden. Harris doesn't need strings, she was born an idiot.

    Have a careful listen to what he says.



    So if Biden is the puppet, anyone with a fully functioning conscience would question what is being fed to them, Biden is the perfect cognitively declined puppet that questions nothing.

    Most definitely. I was being general, not specific. The 99.9% of the Democratic party is corrupt.

    Exactly. In this case, they got in office to destroy America from the inside out, why? I can only speculate.

    If you open the videos in YT, you can click on the "CC" tab at the bottom to bring up "Closed Captions". No sound is required.
     
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    Isn't that the role of AI now? Just look at the Dominion electronic voting machines. Anyone who possesses the key can manipulate the outcome.
    No doubt about it. The real challenge would be keeping the integrity of the voting count.
    Yes, to what end? People (officials) can be bribed or blackmailed, and voting systems compromised. A very difficult ask nowadays.
    Now we are starting to get to the pointy end of the stick. Those who make 'generous donations' expect the member/party to tow the line in favour of their agenda/narratives. It's only ludicrous if you don't believe it can happen. But it does.
     
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    that is the point, we can destroy ourselves from the inside, if the rich mistreat and abuse the working class
     
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    Can you guess what today's version of Rome is, the country destroying itself?
     
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    No. Nothing is being done about the vast quantities of money that the rich and corporations use to sway our representatives.
    No, there has been no problem with that.
    Our system of election funding IS blackmail.
    Sure, but this isn't about AI.
     
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    the USA is one of them, but feel free to share

    greedy Corporatism is destroying Capitalism!
     
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