A.I, is it a good or a bad thing?

Discussion in 'Science' started by UntilNextTime, Apr 25, 2023.

?

Is it a good or a bad thing?

  1. Yes

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  2. No

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. Not sure

    9 vote(s)
    69.2%
  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,693
    Likes Received:
    14,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Computers don't learn. They gather data.
     
  2. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    4,562
    Likes Received:
    1,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The most sure is one who knows least.-S. Kawabata
     
  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, there are sure to be bots that do little more than gather data.

    But, the actual attempts at AI are doing way more than that. They are figuring out strategies that they then then apply.
     
  4. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,693
    Likes Received:
    14,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    By processing whatever data they have gathered based on how the software was designed. They are computers. They aren't sentient.
     
  5. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,693
    Likes Received:
    14,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm fairly familiar with computers. I have been using them since the 1980's. I am a certified network engineer and I have owned and operated a computer company. I have been in senior management in other peoples' computer companies as well. I'm still involved. I make my living doing E-commerce on a web site of my own construction.

    It is possible to do harm with computers but not because computers are intelligent. It is because they are programmed to do harm. The people who are fear mongering for a time out are those who are behind the technology and want to catch up.

    If you want something to fear let me suggest China and the U.S. federal government.
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2023
  6. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This isn't about sentients.

    The software is designed to learn, to create strategy, etc. It's ability to do so is beyond what humans can accomplish in many domains.
     
  7. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What if AI cures all cancers?
     
    WillReadmore likes this.
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not suggesting fear. But, there is a serious need for care.

    An AI in the relatively near future absolutely could do serious harm without their being any intent by any human. AIs aren't going to recognize harm unless carefully indicated or they must be limited in access in serious ways.
     
  9. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,193
    Likes Received:
    63,397
    Trophy Points:
    113
    actually it is a type of learning, they do give it rules, it's not allowed to say anything it wants, but it kinda takes on a life of it's own

    and it's only gonna get better and better, once it starts designing itself, that is when the technology will grow crazy fast
     
  10. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What if AI can detect guns? Or violent threats?

    Schools in Kentucky are considering pricy AI technology to detect guns
    High-end weapons detection systems that use AI technology are gaining popularity with school boards wanting to protect their students, but they come at a high cost and a lack of transparency.
    https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177...onsidering-pricy-ai-technology-to-detect-guns
     
  11. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There are already cures for cancer. Big pharma suppresses that knowledge, so it's not a matter of AI discovering a cure.
     
  12. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Seen how AI controls China?
     
  13. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Messages:
    4,562
    Likes Received:
    1,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You didn't also say you're a little behind the times.
    These soccer playing robots weren't programmed by humans — they learned the game themselves after only being instructed to score goals. From there the AI program went about devouring motion capture technology and testing different moves for about two weeks.
    Through this system of trial and error, the robots just got better and better with more practice.
    The development of their own game has eerily mirrored soccer history with an evolution in passing followed by the birth of tactics. The robots are inverting the pyramid as we speak.
     
    WillReadmore likes this.
  14. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You misread. There are plenty of cancers for which there is no cure.
     
  15. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How can this be misread?

    If AI did find the cure for specific cancers it would still be suppressed by big pharma. Because big pharma is a multi-billion dollar industry that lives off the lives of sick people. Where would they be if everyone was healthy, that their medicines cured everyone? They'd no longer be that multi-billion dollar industry. Their meds only treat symptoms and do not address the root cause if it can't be cut out of the body.

    Scientists cure cancer, but no one takes notice

    Why isn't big pharma interested? Because it cures people.
     
  16. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This doesn't make any sense.

    There are LOTS of partial cures for cancer that pharma manufactures, tests and distributes.

    Why would they NOT do that?

    Curing cancer patients doesn't mean that others won't contract cancer.

    Your comment about symptoms is false. It IS true that there are diseases for which there is no total cure, but where the person can be treated such that they live reasonable lives with the cure.
     
  17. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "Partial" is not curing. If it were an effective cure, then the patient would not get cancer again. Yet many do.
    Money.
    Why cure everyone, big pharma would go broke.
    Ever consider what the preservatives, artificial colourings, flavours, and modified processed sugars in our food do to our bodies? Eat enough of that crap and yes, you'll have a good chance you'll be a cancer patient.
    Is it? Look at all the pain medications such as paracetamol and Ibuprofen. What do they do for your headache? They do relieve the pain but does that cure the root cause, what if you continue to get the headaches chugging on those meds won't cure the headaches if it's something chronic.
    Or what about statin drugs, they're really nasty piece of work. Take them to lower your cholesterol after you've suffered a stroke. The adult human body makes 1000mg of cholesterol per day and these statin drugs mess around with the following;

    Lowering cholesterol in the body at the cost of what? So you can become a patient with another variety of illnesses.

    Also, vitamin supplements are BS too. As they are synthetic versions that mess with the body.

    It would be amazing if AI could turn big pharma around, rather than finding cures.
     
  18. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So is AI going to suppress itself? Or is any entity other than big pharma not able to go passed the big pharma suppression?
     
  19. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Really? You spend a lot of time in China?
     
  20. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    60,321
    Likes Received:
    16,532
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I haven't seen ANYONE propose that as a definition of "cure". It doesn't make any sense.

    Big pharma has been doing an unbelievably GREAT job for us. That's not the problem with drugs and other pharmaceuticals. The problem comes in the form of LUDICROUS prices for stuff we absolutely need.

    Pharma is not responsible for food coloring, vitamins, etc. Pharma is also not responsible for homeopathy, which is a gigantic business with no testing for safety or efficacy.
     
  21. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    auiqs.jpg.gif Seriously?
     
  22. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Last edited: May 19, 2023
  23. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There is a skill most people have that's called reading, it's part of the research process.
    No, I don't have to be physically there to see and know what is going on.

    China — The First Artificial Intelligence Superpower
    Clues to Chinese Strategic Thinking on Artificial Intelligence and National Security
    How AI Is Running China’s Foreign Policy
    China’s New AI Governance Initiatives Shouldn’t Be Ignored

    There you go, and I didn't need to spend a cent on airfare.
     
  24. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2022
    Messages:
    7,950
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What relevance does the link have, it takes you to this thread "
    Biden tells Howard grads 'White supremacy' is the 'most dangerous terrorist threat' to the US

    As for "expertise", I am more curious than others, such as yourself, hence the thread creation. But I would call myself an expert, more so well-informed.
     
  25. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But you need to believe whomever it was filled your brain.
    Since you didn't experience it.

    How many links should I post that show AI top be great?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...d-how-ai-is-helping-humanity/?sh=353905ee3366

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/ai-for-human-development/

    https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/15/r...-how-the-great-ai-race-will-likely-shake-out/

    https://www.kornferry.com/insights/this-week-in-leadership/ai-the-great-equalizer
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2023

Share This Page