A Letter to Trumps' Critics--with a Psychoanalytic Approach

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    This is a Trump fan who never talks about Trump. Mostly, he talks about "lefties."
     
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    Sorry, I don't support the authoritarian democrats.
     
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    No, you support an authoritarian "republican" who has used frivolous lawsuits to try to silence free speech and literally believes it should be illegal to call his building plans ugly. Whatever you support, it sure as hell isn't free speech.
     
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    So is this just a case of not being able to come with with a valid argument, so you just go with the lame attempts at insults. You would have a leg to stand on, I suppose, if your description of the divide between conservatives and liberals was not so far outside of reality.



    The defining divide is more along the lines of conservatives tend to have a religious worldview and cling to the past whereas liberals tend to have a scientific world view and look to the future. It has a lot to do with why liberals tend to embrace new technologies and ideas quickly and conservatives only later. Why all the great innovators have been left leaning.


    Here is good one for you. Place a bunch of people somewhere, say a deserted island, half conservative, half liberal. The conservatives will spend their early efforts trying to establish an hierarchy while the liberals will be off exploring.
     
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    Good thing, because there aren’t any.
     
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    My argument is perfectly valid. Whether you grasp that is of no consequence. Differing political beliefs are based upon differing perspectives. The notion that intelligent people believe in the tenets of the left and unintelligent people believe in tenets of the right, is utterly preposterous. It is laughable, and you seemingly post on this specific topic daily. There is no other way to explain your position other than to call it ignorant. Some would look at your position being posted daily and call you a d-bag, but I am far too polite for such an accusation. I will leave that determination up to others.
     
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    No. You specifically said that conservatives want a small government and liberals want a nanny state. That is entirely outside of reality, but apparently what many conservatives “believe”. In fact it seems most of the Republican ideology is like this. You know, like how the tax cuts paid for themselves and paid off the national debt. Or Trump never lies.

    And remember I didn’t discover how much the intellectual scale is tilted until I got tired of conservatives always claiming how inferior liberals were. When I did the research, I found quite the opposite. The states with the worse economies and schools and highest incarceration rates all tend to be rather conservatives while the states which excel all tend to be liberal.
     
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    When or why you formulated this misguided belief is wholly irrelevant.

    My argument is perfectly valid. Whether you grasp that is of no consequence. Differing political beliefs are based upon differing perspectives. The notion that intelligent people believe in the tenets of the left and unintelligent people believe in tenets of the right, is utterly preposterous. It is laughable, and you seemingly post on this specific topic daily. There is no other way to explain your position other than to call it ignorant. Some would look at your position & incessant posting on this topic, and call you a d-bag, but I am far too polite for such an accusation. I will leave that determination up to others.
     
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    You can repeat it all day long, but it does not change anything. You can call me names and threaten me with insults all you want. But the data is not on your side.
     
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    I only repeat myself when someone replies without actually replying to what I had just said. I prefer conversations that move forward, but if you dont hold up your end of the bargain, there is not much that I can do.

    My argument is perfectly valid. Whether you grasp that is of no consequence. Differing political beliefs are based upon differing perspectives. The notion that intelligent people believe in the tenets of the left and unintelligent people believe in tenets of the right, is utterly preposterous. It is laughable, and you seemingly post on this specific topic daily. There is no other way to explain your position other than to call it ignorant. Some would look at your position & incessant posting on this topic, and call you a d-bag, but I am far too polite for such an accusation. I will leave that determination up to others.
     
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    Hahahaha...no...it's much more simple...he's just an a**hole.
     
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    Sure, sure. It's because of the evil. Nothing at all to do with seeking approval, or clinching the moral certainty which permits laurel resting.
     
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    Far more likely that they don't give a flying #### about his personality, but care deeply about his regard for America and his work in office thus far.

    Of course, there are some who appreciate the man's ability to troll the Left, and still others who find it quite refreshing to have a leader with a sense of humour. I still wouldn't regard that as any kind of genuine affection for the individual, though.
     
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    My god. One seldom sees such a massive number of pseudo-intellectual keystrokes on a forum. One can only conclude this comes from someone who recently obtained a well used college freshman psychology book and couldn't wait to share this new found wisdom with their victims.
     
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    We'll, if he had actually read the book we could have avoided this whole fiasco.
     
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    You are viewing things through your blue-colored glasses. Most (but not all) things you say are 180 degrees out if phase. It is the liberals and Democrats who zealously try to run people's lives and dictate what they can and cannot do -- with a little help from more than a few Republicans I might add. They are the ones that push for regulation after regulation to tell corporations how to make and sell stuff and tell consumers what they can and cannot buy. They pass laws that say you can't buy soft drinks larger than 16oz, and vendors cannot sell transfats, and you can be fined $25,000 for inadvertently calling a transgender by the wrong sex pronoun. Their main goal in life is to grow the federal government to make it easier to tell the entire country what to wear, what kind of car to drive, or to take a bus instead of driving by passing one law instead of fifty. They are the ones that tell a state and the people what kind of marriages are acceptable or not. They are the ones that dictate what kind of medical care you can have and with whom and at what cost. I can go on forever if you like.

    The only thing ever close to a real police state was put in place by Obama in 2015 when he fired up federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to affect the 2016 election (and with Russian assistance I might add.)

    You are correct that liberals more than conservatives fought against the stupid criminalization of marijuana.

    What women, Blacks, Indians, and others do you know that do not have full voting rights? Blue states often have a better turnout because aliens predominately vote Democrat and a reason why Democrats are in favor of ending the country through open borders (again, as are some RINOs). It is the predominant reason why some red states are turning purple and red.

    Other than all this, not too bad.
     
  17. Natty Bumpo

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    Their affinity for Trump is clearly emotional, and not predicated upon rational considerations, obviously.

    I wonder how they react when normal, sensible observations wreak havoc with their fanaticism.
    If Cry Baby Don has his whiny tweety tantrums during the Constitutional process that he is afraid to participate in, that may pleasure his bum kissers, but it will only have entertainment value.
     
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    They must have read lots of your posts as examples of how and what to post here.

    Thread is no different than the myriad threads categorizing Trump supporters as this or that inaccurate stereotype, yet somehow I missed your snide (hot air) retort in all of those dozens and hundreds of threads here. Guess you just missed them.

    I'll sum up my own psychoanalytic estimation of modern Left-Complex politics differently and more succinctly, mass hypnosis of weak minds by several decades of resentment lie narratives that rationalize illicit financial self-interest not based on trading value with others ethically and voluntarily, but on extracting resources from others immorally using government force.
     
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    Adorable, and yet entirely inaccurate.

    I can think of at least one you missed where I corrected the notion that Trump supporters are incapable of reason.

    But the irony here is that you are either telling me you are here to refute the inaccurate stereotypes of this OP or that you are guilty of the same hypocrisy you are accusing me of. Which is it?

    1) This thread isn't about the Left. It is about everyone who criticizes Trump. It is literally claiming that all criticism of the man is invalid and is the result of a psychological imbalance. That isn't a political position. That's a cult.

    2) Your complaints about misuse of taxation would work a lot better if you directed them toward someone who wasn't to the right of Trump (and likely you as well) on economics.

    3) So which is it? Do you hate these kinds of blanket stereotypes or are you eager to present one of your own?
     
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    There is no constitutional process going on to whine about. People who deviate from a constitutional action always cite the Constitution for doing so.
     
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    You appear to be confused. The same Constitutional compliance that was applied in the cases of Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton is being strictly adhered to now.

    It is again being conducted according to the law of the land, as most Americans would insist.

    "As you may know, the House of Representatives has begun a formal impeachment inquiry to determine whether or not to bring impeachment charges against President Trump. Do you approve or disapprove of this impeachment inquiry?"

    APPROVE: 54% // DISAPPROVE: 42%

    Quinnipiac University Poll. Nov. 21-25, 2019.
    In the US, cult figures are not above the law. Nor can they obstruct the process by gagging witnesses to hide relevant insider information they may be desperate to conceal.


     
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    Not even close. Nor is it complying with the House standards and rules followed in the previous three.
     
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    You sure do misread things. The House having the sole power to impeach means only that no other political body can impeach. It does not mean that they can do anything they want and everybody has to kowtow to whatever they say. The Constitution does not say, imply, or even hint at that. Giuliani and others can constitutionally ignore subpoenas the same way they always can to maintain the separation of powers. It is really not that difficult to understand for anybody that might want to.
     
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    Please document your bizarre claim.

    If you are impotent in doing so, I understand.
    Trump's intimates have been subpoenaed to share what they know under oath, but he has gagged them.

    Trump himself has been invited to testify on his own behalf, but he rather keep his distance and repeatedly tweet, "Witch hunt!" rather than swear to tell the truth.
     
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    Of course, if telling the truth under oath is not in one's interests, subpoenas can be defied. As noted, "The process seems very fair to me," said former Republican Rep. Tom Campbell, who served in the House during the Clinton proceedings and voted for impeachment. He called the current plan "very consistent with how the House operates in the two previous impeachment matters."
     

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